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Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
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09/25/15 11:17 AM
09/25/15 11:17 AM
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Kounse
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I'm putting out 17-17-17 fert on my food plots; I'm planting cereal grains. How many #'s per acre of 17-17-17 should I put out? (I know... get a soil sample but I don't have one so let's just go with the question) I'm thinking 200 lbs per ac but I'm open to your suggestions. Is 200 lbs per ac enough? We're coming back in Dec with Ammonium Nitrate. Thanks guys for your suggestions!!
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Kounse]
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09/25/15 01:15 PM
09/25/15 01:15 PM
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Kounse]
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09/25/15 02:43 PM
09/25/15 02:43 PM
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Yelp softly
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So you already know that the correct answer is to get a soil sample, but you want another answer anyway. Do you intend to pick from the wild ass guesses that people may give here and decide which one you like best? I don't understand this logic, but I will humor you and leave a crazy guess. Cereal grains require more nitrogen than phosphorus or potassium, remember it's more closely related to members of the grass family which require lots of nitrogen. For example, the results of our last soil samples recommended 80-40-40 per acre for winter food plots. Spreading 17-17-17 won't get you there. If you spread enough triple 17 to fulfill the nitrogen requirement, then you're way heavy on the P and K.
If I were spreading 17-17-17, then I would throw in a bag of two of 34-0-0 for good measure.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Yelp softly]
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09/25/15 03:15 PM
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So you already know that the correct answer is to get a soil sample, but you want another answer anyway. Do you intend to pick from the wild ass guesses that people may give here and decide which one you like best? I don't understand this logic, but I will humor you and leave a crazy guess. Cereal grains require more nitrogen than phosphorus or potassium, remember it's more closely related to members of the grass family which require lots of nitrogen. For example, the results of our last soil samples recommended 80-40-40 per acre for winter food plots. Spreading 17-17-17 won't get you there. If you spread enough triple 17 to fulfill the nitrogen requirement, then you're way heavy on the P and K.
If I were spreading 17-17-17, then I would throw in a bag of two of 34-0-0 for good measure. 80-40-40/acre?? That seems like a lot. If you where just working on the N, it would take 5 bags(or close to it) of 34-0-0 per acre. What kind of soil?
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Kounse]
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09/25/15 03:34 PM
09/25/15 03:34 PM
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I don't think it's as high as you think it is. That was pretty much the average across 30+ food plots. There are a few plots that were likely neglected due to difficult access. These few plots called for something like 100-60-60 or close to it. The majority of these plots are mostly red clay, but again, this was pretty much the average.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Kounse]
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09/25/15 05:15 PM
09/25/15 05:15 PM
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Yelp softly
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Yep, you're right. I think listing "food plot" on your soil sample calls for high levels of all three nutrients because grains need the N but legumes like winter peas and clover need the P & K. If you were planting a plot that only contained one type of seed, your fertilizer recs may not call for high levels of all 3.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Kounse]
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09/25/15 05:55 PM
09/25/15 05:55 PM
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Yelp softly, I am not going to make up stuff and I knew many ppl would mention a soil sample and needing to do one, which I am in total agreement. I know I need a soil samp. But here's the deal... we have approx. 70 acres of food plots. I took soil samples of about half the food plots and yes, I need lime! Some food plots more than others but they're not bad, bad. But when you have over 35 food plots, there is no way in hell that I can attend to EACH food plot for its specific needs. At least I don't have the time to "doctor" each food plot. I have to do the best I can do for all of them and lime is in the budget for next spring. My question was really to settle an argument between myself and another member. I think... with the information I have, that Triple 17 @ 200 lbs per acre would be sufficient. My other member wants 300 lbs per acre but we don't have a surplus of $. Besides, we are going to dump A'Nitrate on our plots in December. So, I think 200 lbs per acre is fine. We are mainly cereal grain in our plots. I know there are a lot of knowledgeable people on here so, hence, my question. Yes, I know there are A LOT of variables and maybe so many variables that there isn't a correct answer. But thanks for the feedback.
Last edited by Kounse; 09/25/15 05:57 PM.
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Kounse]
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09/26/15 05:05 AM
09/26/15 05:05 AM
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CNC
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The amount of N that you add really just depends on how much you want to drive plant growth. If lets say you had a 10-15 acre field and minimal browsing pressure then you might not want to add much N at all because it likely won't struggle to keep up with the deer. On the other hand, let's say you're planting a 1 acre plot in a high deer density. On that field you may want to drive plant growth much more so the amount of N applied may be higher. Don't worry so much about what the soil test tells you on N and instead use your eyes to tell you.
Last edited by CNC; 09/26/15 05:06 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Kounse]
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09/26/15 05:09 AM
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Something else to consider too is if you're growing wheat, oats, or cereal rye. Wheat requires N to flourish where cereal rye and oats really do not.
Last edited by CNC; 09/26/15 05:10 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: Kounse]
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09/26/15 05:15 AM
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If your soil is good, I'd use one bag of fertilizer per one bag of seed. If you're worried about your soil, I'd use 2 bags of fertilizer per bag of seed.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Fertilizer Question on #'s per ac of 17-17-17
[Re: RiverWood]
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10/02/15 07:50 AM
10/02/15 07:50 AM
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You got a bunch of stupid answers to your question. Use the 200# of 17-17-17 you initially ask about. If you require fertilizer advice, call your local coop or county extension service office. If his CoOp is like mine, they'll either act like you're from Mars when you ask a basic question, or just hang up on you. Point being, I've gotten a TON better advice on here than from any seed store, etc.
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