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Poor Lion.
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07/28/15 08:47 AM
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Apparantly this fella had done the same kind of stuff in the past and if it's poached that sucks but this article writes about the lion like it was a freaking person. "He leaves behind a pride of cubs" what kind of horseshit reporting is that. Poor old Leo.
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07/28/15 09:07 AM
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I read a more in depth article on this earlier. Although I have no desire to kill a lion as I imagine they taste pretty gamey, the hunter did nothing wrong as far as anyone can prove. If anyone did wrong it was the PH and property owner. The poor dentist is now going to get torn up by the media because of this and a previous conviction in Wisconsin for a hunting violation that yielded a $1000 fine from what I remember. The dude won't be getting a whole lot of sympathy either from most people because not many of us have the kind of money that would allow us to put ourselves in his shoes.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Poor Lion.
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Cecil the Lion was a well known philanthropist, gentleman, and patron of the arts. He is survived by a pride of cubs, and a multitude of lonely lionesses. Donations in his honor are to be given to the 'Tar and Feathing of Walter Palmer' campaign. Sounds like it came right out of the article. He was more interesting than the Dos equis guy.
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Re: Poor Lion.
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07/28/15 10:04 AM
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I don't normally shoot lions but when I do.....those suckers are famous.
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07/28/15 10:27 AM
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There is now an article on CNN. Evidently the PH set the whole thing up, hunter claims he didn't know. Damn cat had a GPS collar, but maybe it wasn't visible with the mane.
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Re: Poor Lion.
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The PH had no lion "on quota" in that consession, thats like closed season. No lions can be legally killed.
The "collar" can be hard to see in hunting conditions, but I cannot believe that PH Bronkhurst didn't know what he was doing.
THAT lion should of never been shot by a hunter because of the outraage by the public that would, and did, come about.
The hunter has more to worry about than a bad press. He violated Zimbabwe law and therefore USFWS Lacy Act.
Also the consession was one of the seized properties Americans are not allowed to hunt on legally, per USFWS, because the land was taken illegally and current "owners" do not have legal cause to allow anyone to hunt that land.
BIG FUBAR all around......
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: Poor Lion.
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The PH had no lion "on quota" in that consession, thats like closed season. No lions can be legally killed.
The "collar" can be hard to see in hunting conditions, but I cannot believe that PH Bronkhurst didn't know what he was doing.
THAT lion should of never been shot by a hunter because of the outraage by the public that would, and did, come about.
The hunter has more to worry about than a bad press. He violated Zimbabwe law and therefore USFWS Lacy Act.
Also the consession was one of the seized properties Americans are not allowed to hunt on legally, per USFWS, because the land was taken illegally and current "owners" do not have legal cause to allow anyone to hunt that land.
BIG FUBAR all around...... This
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Re: Poor Lion.
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07/28/15 02:19 PM
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Troy, I can't disagree and don't mean to sound like a lawless/heartless bastard but that article was specifically written to make it sound like they killed Disney's Lion King.
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Re: Poor Lion.
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07/28/15 02:39 PM
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Troy, I can't disagree and don't mean to sound like a lawless/heartless bastard but that article was specifically written to make it sound like they killed Disney's Lion King. What else would you expect from the PETA loving media? The idiot PH (and hunter if he knew what he was doing) are the ones that gave them the ammo. They just did what they were expected to do. They played right into the anti's hand.
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Troy, I can't disagree and don't mean to sound like a lawless/heartless bastard but that article was specifically written to make it sound like they killed Disney's Lion King. I agree with you, it was written to blast hunting in general and lion hunting in particular. Lion hunting has been under attack from the antis for a while, with our own anti hunting USFWS chiming in and trying to "list" lions as threatened to stop imports of lion trophies, and therefore lion hunting by Americans. Dumbsumbitch hunter and PH gave the antis a boatload of ammo..... The idiot hunter wounded the lion with a crossbow and killed it FOUR days later...not even a clean kill. Antis are railing on the lion being "beheaded" and skinned. WTH else does one do with a trophy lion???
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: Poor Lion.
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07/28/15 03:42 PM
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Apparantly this fella had done the same kind of stuff in the past and if it's poached that sucks but this article writes about the lion like it was a freaking person. "He leaves behind a pride of cubs" what kind of horseshit reporting is that. Poor old Leo. Have you not seen how many folks on here get pissed off/question where and how a friggin deer was killed? If there was/is a 170 class or larger deer without a collar on killed, every other person on this board seems to turn into a dang game warden. If it was a known deer from a high fence that got out and had a faded collar on, shot by a hunter that paid big time money, this place would treat that deer like it was a "freaking person".
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Apparantly this fella had done the same kind of stuff in the past and if it's poached that sucks but this article writes about the lion like it was a freaking person. "He leaves behind a pride of cubs" what kind of horseshit reporting is that. Poor old Leo. Have you not seen how many folks on here get pissed off/question where and how a friggin deer was killed? If there was/is a 170 class or larger deer without a collar on killed, every other person on this board seems to turn into a dang game warden. If it was a known deer from a high fence that got out and had a faded collar on, shot by a hunter that paid big time money, this place would treat that deer like it was a "freaking person". You are spot on
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Re: Poor Lion.
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07/28/15 05:43 PM
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Have you not seen how many folks on here get pissed off/question where and how a friggin deer was killed? If there was/is a 170 class or larger deer without a collar on killed, every other person on this board seems to turn into a dang game warden. If it was a known deer from a high fence that got out and had a faded collar on, shot by a hunter that paid big time money, this place would treat that deer like it was a "freaking person".
I've been on this site a minute or two and I've seen the posts you are referring to. There is a difference between Hunter Jealousy and the public outcry that this has generated. I've never heard anyone on this site bitching because a big deer was "Beheaded". They tried to make it read like a terrorist killed the damn thing. Troy is right, they really screwed up and the Dentist has had to shut down his practice because of it.
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07/28/15 05:55 PM
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Dentists real prob is going to be USFWS prosecuting him under Lacy Act for illegally killing the lion and for hunting on illegal lands.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
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07/28/15 06:00 PM
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Dentists real prob is going to be USFWS prosecuting him under Lacy Act for illegally killing the lion and for hunting on illegal lands. It is probably best that he not return to Zimbabwe anytime soon also. Ever see the 60's movie "The Naked Prey" with Cornel Wilde?
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Re: Poor Lion.
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Dentists real prob is going to be USFWS prosecuting him under Lacy Act for illegally killing the lion and for hunting on illegal lands. It is probably best that he not return to Zimbabwe anytime soon also. Ever see the 60's movie "The Naked Prey" with Cornel Wilde? my PH in Zim told me a stay at a Zim jail was a death sentence.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
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07/28/15 06:33 PM
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legal to bait em and shoot em at night. The permit/quota part is going to be bad....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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I'm sitting in the hotel lobby this morning eating breakfast and they have the tv on ABC morning show. Unbelievable ! These bunch of liberal jackasses are reporting on this like a human was murdered. You think they showed this much outrage over plan parenthood doctors bragging about how many abortions they done that day and what the going rate is for a babies arm and liver! Hell no!
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a previous conviction in Wisconsin for a hunting violation that yielded a $1000 fine from what I remember. It was a little worse than that... Try a felony... Felon Dentist....
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a previous conviction in Wisconsin for a hunting violation that yielded a $1000 fine from what I remember. It was a little worse than that... Try a felony... Felon Dentist.... Thanks, I didn't recall reading it was a felony but that would fit with the $1000 fine.
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Learn a lesson from his mistake, anytime you pay for somebody to take you hunting in a place you're unfamiliar with you better do your homework. The "ignorance" card only gets you so far. And ask questions when something doesn't seem legit. When they tied a dead animal drag to the back of the truck to lure him to a different place to kill him I'd have started asking questions. And he very well could have asked those questions, I'm not saying he didn't. I could have just been the day all his bad luck chips got cashed in at once.
Trying to destroy the gps collar is another dead giveaway that you're screwed.
It'd be nice if there was this much public outrage over ISIS beheading people and Planned Parenthood sorting through aborted fetuses to harvest organs to sell.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
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07/29/15 04:05 AM
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I wonder how many veterans or active duty servicemen have died during the time this has dominated the news.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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I wonder how many veterans or active duty servicemen have died during the time this has dominated the news. too damn many Wiley...
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Learn a lesson from his mistake, anytime you pay for somebody to take you hunting in a place you're unfamiliar with you better do your homework. The "ignorance" card only gets you so far. And ask questions when something doesn't seem legit. When they tied a dead animal drag to the back of the truck to lure him to a different place to kill him I'd have started asking questions. And he very well could have asked those questions, I'm not saying he didn't. I could have just been the day all his bad luck chips got cashed in at once.
Trying to destroy the gps collar is another dead giveaway that you're screwed.
It'd be nice if there was this much public outrage over ISIS beheading people and Planned Parenthood sorting through aborted fetuses to harvest organs to sell. I'm going to assume that you have never been to Africa hunting. You are completely at the mercy of the Outfitter and PH to ensure that all is legal. And every country is different. Landlines are usually NOT marked, no way to know if you are one legal land or in a park, or on someone else. Dragging dead game to lay a scent trail is normal practice when hunting lion or leopard. an personally ,given his history, I doubt that he asked any questions and knew full well the hunt was illegal. He is in a world of deep chitt with the USFW boys, prolly facing multiple Lacy Act violations here in US. I really doubt he will actually face any charges IN Zimbabwe. I sure as hell wouldn't go back on my own to face charges there. anybody with ANY common sense would not of shot THAT lion, even if it was legal, on quota, legal land, et all. Dumbass greedy move and it will cost him, the PH, the landowner, and all of us that hunt anywhere. The antis will use this to further their anti-hunting agenda, esp lion hunting.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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First: I don't believe a single word of anything written in the "news" about hunting. It is ALWAYS slanted against hunters and hunting. Second: I don't believe a single word of anything written in the "news" about hunting. It is ALWAYS slanted against hunters and hunting. Third:
IKNOWMYPHUCKINGCODEDAMMITYOUDICKHEAD!!!
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antis having a field day with this BGH......
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Learn a lesson from his mistake, anytime you pay for somebody to take you hunting in a place you're unfamiliar with you better do your homework. The "ignorance" card only gets you so far. And ask questions when something doesn't seem legit. When they tied a dead animal drag to the back of the truck to lure him to a different place to kill him I'd have started asking questions. And he very well could have asked those questions, I'm not saying he didn't. I could have just been the day all his bad luck chips got cashed in at once.
Trying to destroy the gps collar is another dead giveaway that you're screwed.
It'd be nice if there was this much public outrage over ISIS beheading people and Planned Parenthood sorting through aborted fetuses to harvest organs to sell. I'm going to assume that you have never been to Africa hunting. You are completely at the mercy of the Outfitter and PH to ensure that all is legal. And every country is different. Landlines are usually NOT marked, no way to know if you are one legal land or in a park, or on someone else. Dragging dead game to lay a scent trail is normal practice when hunting lion or leopard. an personally ,given his history, I doubt that he asked any questions and knew full well the hunt was illegal. He is in a world of deep chitt with the USFW boys, prolly facing multiple Lacy Act violations here in US. I really doubt he will actually face any charges IN Zimbabwe. I sure as hell wouldn't go back on my own to face charges there. anybody with ANY common sense would not of shot THAT lion, even if it was legal, on quota, legal land, et all. Dumbass greedy move and it will cost him, the PH, the landowner, and all of us that hunt anywhere. The antis will use this to further their anti-hunting agenda, esp lion hunting. No, I've never been hunting in Africa. And the fact that you're completely at the mercy of the outfitter and PH is why I'd be as educated as possible before I go (however much or little that might be) and ask more questions when I got there. The piece I read mentioned that they used the drag to lure him off of the park so that they could kill him. He may or may not have known where they were luring him from. But like you, it all sounds sketchy at best. Have you ever hunted in Africa? If so, how did/would you make sure that you didn't get involved in a similar situation? He probably thought that by dropping $50k he was with a reputable outfitter.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
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I've never understood the desire to shoot a lion. I'm not at all opposed to somebody else doing it. To each his own.
When I went on a jeep Safari in Kenya, you could pretty much drive right up to them. You can drive right up to deer at Guntersville State Park too, do you hunt deer????
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: Poor Lion.
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Flyway, yes I have hunted Africa, in fact in Zimbabwe. I went with an outfit that came highly recommended by others that had been with them. You do your homework by checking past performance, both in ethics and in game taken.
Bronkhurst, the PH, has been involved on the edge of stuff in the past. And the land they hunted is listed as seized land, something you can check on.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: BhamFred]
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07/29/15 06:00 AM
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I've never understood the desire to shoot a lion. I'm not at all opposed to somebody else doing it. To each his own.
When I went on a jeep Safari in Kenya, you could pretty much drive right up to them. You can drive right up to deer at Guntersville State Park too, do you hunt deer???? They will walk right up to you in Liberty Park too. My understanding is that if you know the right people you can hunt there. It's even been rumored you can pay to hunt the surrounding areas.
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: toothdoc]
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07/29/15 06:11 AM
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I've never understood the desire to shoot a lion. I'm not at all opposed to somebody else doing it. To each his own.
When I went on a jeep Safari in Kenya, you could pretty much drive right up to them. You can drive right up to deer at Guntersville State Park too, do you hunt deer???? They will walk right up to you in Liberty Park too. My understanding is that if you know the right people you can hunt there. It's even been rumored you can pay to hunt the surrounding areas. I used to hunt there, with a written permit from the owner, Drummond. I have leased land adjoining Liberty Park for hunting. I have had a written permit from other adjoining landowners, US Steel, and have hunted small tracts within Liberty Park the individuals own. no rumor there.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: charlie]
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07/29/15 06:17 AM
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I had some squirrels eat out of my hand yesterday. Can't understand why anybody would hunt them? Man it is amazing what people say on a hunting website sometimes. As I clearly stated, I have no problem with it, just zero allure for me to shoot a lion.
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[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 06:33 AM
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Look folks, this is the world we live in whether you like it disagree with it or not and guess what, we hunters are WAY outnumbered by the general public. Guess who LETS us hunt, hmmmm? So far we have been barely able to keep the laws in our favor to hunt. BUT, the public WILL NOT STAND for baiting innocent animals in to be slaughtered! ESPECIALLY an enclosed HIGH FENCE area (not the case here, but). IF the national media ever makes a concerted effort to sway the general population against hunting, WE ARE SCREWED!!!!! So far, the public has accepted sportsmanship and fair chase hunting, barely. Just remember that the next time you make the argument for baiting or hunting in an enclosed high fence operation. Don't hate on me, I'm just the messenger.
May The Odds Be Ever In Your Favor 'The Hunger Games'
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 06:36 AM
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IF the dead could could talk, I'll bet there are several thousand black Africans that will argue that lions aren't innocent.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 06:44 AM
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It seems that some of you think that the $50k he spent is an outlandish number to spend on a lion hunt.
Here's the normal break down: Most lion hunts in Zim are a 21 day hunt @ $1250 +/- per day. (This is imposed by the government, not the outfitter. Out of the $26,250 +/- the PH might get $5000 or so. Then the trophy fee on the male lion he kills (depending on the concession) will range from $15,000 - $25,000. The concession (tribal land) gets 75% of this fee. In total, the PH will make $7500 +/- out of the total of $50,000 the hunter spent.
The PH will also make a % of each of the other trophies and bait animals that the hunter kills. On a 21-day lion hunt, you'd need 3-5 500-800lb bait animals. Those would cost anywhere from $800-1500 each.
Granted $50,000 is a pile of cash to spend for some of us, to others it's not much at all. It's no different than a guy on here hunting public land compared to the guy that spends $3000 on club dues in a year. The public land guy just can't believe anyone would/could spend $3000+ per year for club dues when you can hunt public ground for free.
IKNOWMYPHUCKINGCODEDAMMITYOUDICKHEAD!!!
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: hawgwild]
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07/29/15 07:18 AM
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Damn, I'm a long way from a lion hunting trip X2
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: hawgwild]
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07/29/15 07:22 AM
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Damn, I'm a long way from a lion hunting trip I think I'm going to shot either a blank panther or a mountain lion on our place in south Montgomery county this hunting season. It costed to much to go to Africa. You can come hunt with me hawgwild.
Proud Army and ALNG veteran God Bless America!
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[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 07:25 AM
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An online petition to President Obama on Change.org demanded "justice for Cecil" and for the creation of new laws protecting big game from being hunted outside of the U.S. and brought back. Over 7,200 supporters signed the petition as of Wednesday morning.
Last edited by Bowfool; 07/29/15 07:26 AM.
Obama Is the Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on the American People - Clint Eastwood
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[Re: Bowfool]
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07/29/15 07:28 AM
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An online petition to President Obama on Change.org demanded "justice for Cecil" and for the creation of new laws protecting big game from being hunted outside of the U.S. and brought back. Over 7,200 supporters signed the petition as of Wednesday morning.
Grief...smh
The harder I practice, the luckier I get.
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07/29/15 07:35 AM
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Feller could kill a bunch of critters on this side of the world for 50K, and have $ left to get himself outa jail.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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[Re: Bowfool]
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07/29/15 07:36 AM
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Damn, I'm a long way from a lion hunting trip X2 X3
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: Bowfool]
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07/29/15 07:55 AM
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An online petition to President Obama on Change.org demanded "justice for Cecil" and for the creation of new laws protecting big game from being hunted outside of the U.S. and brought back. Over 7,200 supporters signed the petition as of Wednesday morning.
People are stupid. A woman can feel a baby kick or move, decide to have it sliced up and suctioned out of her body, and that's fine with some people. A guy shoots a lion and the entire friggin' world thinks he should be hung, hunting should cease and animals are more important than humans.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: CeeHawk37]
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If I were him I'd be off to a country that doesn't extradite to the U.S. He may likely spend some time in the pokey if the Feds throw the book at him. Not sure if they would send him to Zimbabwe to face charges or not. Maybe one of you guys in the know can answer that...
Has he officially been charged with anything yet? He would probably be better of in prison than on the streets right now.
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: hawgwild]
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07/29/15 08:48 AM
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Not sure if they would send him to Zimbabwe to face charges or not. I can name that tune in one word.....Obama.
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 08:58 AM
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If that stupid Lion had been wearing a T-thirt with a confederate flag on it they guy would be a hero.
The majority of this counrty are freaking morons now.
One day the right woman will come along and the next thing you know you'll be wearing her underwear!
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[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 09:16 AM
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I literally laughed out loud when I scrolled through the article and saw it the picture taken of the stuffed animals outside his practice Congress woman calls on Justice Department and USFW.
One day the right woman will come along and the next thing you know you'll be wearing her underwear!
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[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 09:27 AM
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Mangler, that may be the stupidest article on this subject I've read yet. There are some real for sure idiots getting involved.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: hawgwild]
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07/29/15 09:59 AM
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If that stupid Lion had been wearing a T-thirt with a confederate flag on it they guy would be a hero.
The majority of this counrty are freaking morons now. LMAO I don't know if that's sad or hilarious.
The harder I practice, the luckier I get.
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: Clem]
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07/29/15 10:34 AM
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An online petition to President Obama on Change.org demanded "justice for Cecil" and for the creation of new laws protecting big game from being hunted outside of the U.S. and brought back. Over 7,200 supporters signed the petition as of Wednesday morning.
People are stupid. A woman can feel a baby kick or move, decide to have it sliced up and suctioned out of her body, and that's fine with some people. A guy shoots a lion and the entire friggin' world thinks he should be hung, hunting should cease and animals are more important than humans. You got that right!
Obama Is the Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on the American People - Clint Eastwood
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: Aaron_H]
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07/29/15 11:18 AM
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Cecil the Lion was a well known philanthropist, gentleman, and patron of the arts. He is survived by a pride of cubs, and a multitude of lonely lionesses. Donations in his honor are to be given to the 'Tar and Feathing of Walter Palmer' campaign. I laffed!
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 01:28 PM
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With the "chosen son" phucking idiot we got running this ass and pony show I'd disappear real quick if I were the guy. I'm sure phuck head will offer him on a silver platter to his native land.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: Phil_Army]
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07/29/15 04:01 PM
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I like this quote I read today.
"It's utterly bizarre. If I was a space alien I'd be so completely confounded by it all that I'd probably cancel my plans to enslave the human race, thinking that something in Earth's water supple must be driving its lifeforms insane."
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 05:50 PM
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I ever get to Africa just one trophy on my must list. That's a kudu. I love those things. But you can bet your sweet ass I'll ask the guide if it has a name before I pull the trigger.
“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”
On the distance I like to walk to my stands: “The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/29/15 11:15 PM
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I wish all these people were around to shed a tear when Mugabe was kicking farmers off their land and dividing everything up among his cronies. There wasn't a great wailing and gnashing of teeth over Mugabe pretty much bringing on the slaughter of that countries wild game. Screw those shitheads. They don't weep for the poverty and suffering brought on because of racism. Kimmel can Kiss My Ass
Don't let life get in the way of living
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/31/15 07:50 AM
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The celebrities have now taken up the cause and are out in full force, not that I would piss on any of them if they were on fire. I just find it unbelievable that they have such an open forum and the spin that the news outlets use to vilify the guy that killed the lion.
I have no interest in an African hunt, but I would imagine that if they put an end to them - there would be a SERIOUS economic impact on many, many of the areas.
"The struggle you're in today, is developing the strength you need for tomorrow."
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/31/15 08:00 AM
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Reckon when uncle Ted will speak up?
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/31/15 08:40 AM
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I've read several articles where native Zimbabweans, black and white said they had never heard of "Cecil" and wondered what all the stink was about. It was just another dead lion, happens every day in Zim. They also wanted to know where all the uproar was when one of those lions ate somebody over there??? Happens a lot and nobody gets their panties in a wad over it...there or here.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/31/15 08:48 AM
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Damn libtards we got in this country are just a bunch of pussies. So what if Cecil is dead. Buncha non GMO pedal a bike vegetarian fruit loops can go to hell
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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[Re: BhamFred]
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07/31/15 08:49 AM
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The dentist screwed up obviously, but here is the deeper reality:
The anti God world puts more value in an animal then a person. The world isn't going nuts over abortion or the sale of aborted baby parts - or sodomites marching around like ISIS. Heck, the world isn't even as concerned with ISIS itself! These animal worship crazies even make death threats against the dentist!
It's totally hypocrisy and IDOLATRY!
And another sign of the times.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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[Re: MANGLER]
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07/31/15 08:51 AM
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Now I hear where the Zims have requested extradition. My first question is; do they extradite to us when asked? If, yes, then, we can talk. If they've ever said no to us, then KMA.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/31/15 09:00 AM
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The Zim government has not, that I can find, asked for extradition. Some of the nutcase tree huggers there have asked for extradition. Parks and Wildlife issued a statement yesterday saying they found no wrongdoing by the American, just the landowner and the PH, both arrested. The American hunter broke no Zim laws. This screwup ain't no big deal over there, and most of them don't understand why we think it is a big deal.
The PH claims they had a permit, ya gotta remember that Zim is one of the most corrupt governments in Africa where corruption is rampant. It would not be out of the ordinary for someone in Parks and Wildlife to have issued a permit to kill a lion on that property at all.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: MANGLER]
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07/31/15 09:06 AM
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But like I said before that big eared dipshit called president will offer the Dr up at a heartbeat. Just watch
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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[Re: MANGLER]
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07/31/15 09:13 AM
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Zim won't come and get him. It would be the death of Safari hunting in Zim if they did, and hunting is one of the very few industries that bring money into the dirt poor country. Not going to happen.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
[Re: BhamFred]
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07/31/15 09:14 AM
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The Zim government has not, that I can find, asked for extradition. Some of the nutcase tree huggers there have asked for extradition. Parks and Wildlife issued a statement yesterday saying they found no wrongdoing by the American, just the landowner and the PH, both arrested. The American hunter broke no Zim laws. This screwup ain't no big deal over there, and most of them don't understand why we think it is a big deal.
The PH claims they had a permit, ya gotta remember that Zim is one of the most corrupt governments in Africa where corruption is rampant. It would not be out of the ordinary for someone in Parks and Wildlife to have issued a permit to kill a lion on that property at all. NBC is reporting it. Take it for what it is worth.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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[Re: MANGLER]
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I ain't believing 90% of what is reported on this fiasco. There have been some info coming out of Zim that appears to be accurate.
But you can bet the bank on Zim not extraditing....they aren't real smart but they are smart enough to not cut their own throat and stop the money. And extraditing any American for a wildlife violation would kill Zims safari business dead as hell.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
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But like I said before that big eared dipshit called president will offer the Dr up at a heartbeat. Just watch The way this thing is blowing up, Obama will fly Dr.Dumbass over on Air Force One to deliver him personally. Maybe when his term is up, he'll take over Zimbabwe and become the Emperor he always wanted to be.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Poor Lion.
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FOX is reporting this: "Though Palmer's lion kill took place in Zimbabwe, he still could be in trouble in the U.S. if it is found that he violated the Lacey Act, an animal protection law that also applies to Americans who violate the animal rights laws of other nations." When did, or has it always been this way, the Lacey Act become a "protection law" under which other nations could prosecute or get at an American? Not fully understanding this twist. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/31/...e/?intcmp=hpbt4This is the Lacey Act synopsis:Under the Lacey Act, it is unlawful to import, export, sell, acquire, or purchase fish, wildlife or plants that are taken, possessed, transported, or sold: 1) in violation of U.S. or Indian law, or 2) in interstate or foreign commerce involving any fish, wildlife, or plants taken possessed or sold in violation of State or foreign law. The law covers all fish and wildlife and their parts or products, plants protected by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) and those protected by State law. Commercial guiding and outfitting are considered to be a sale under the provisions of the Act. In 2008, the Lacey Act was amended to include a wider variety of prohibited plants and plant products, including products made from illegally logged woods, for import. When the Lacey Act was passed in 1900, it became the first federal law protecting wildlife. It enforces civil and criminal penalties for the illegal trade of animals and plants. Today it regulates the import of any species protected by international or domestic law and prevents the spread of invasive, or non-native, species. http://www.fws.gov/international/laws-treaties-agreements/us-conservation-laws/lacey-act.html
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Re: Poor Lion.
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I talked with a retired federal game & fish special investigator today about this case. He thinks the U.S. hunter would be in violation of the Lacey Act only if he tried/tries to bring the illegally taken animal (hide, skull, etc) into the U.S. In my very limited experience with the Fed GWs they will check your duck stamp. They will check you shooting dove. But when it gets to something like this they will come....but they will bring the FBI, ATF, and IRS along with them. I have seen it first hand and it was dealing with illegal Africa hunts. And them SOBs don't even wait until a reasonable hour, they'll come at 4:30 AM!!!
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Re: Poor Lion.
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07/31/15 12:17 PM
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For most people in the southern African nation, where unemployment tops 80 percent and the economy continues to feel the after-effects of billion percent hyperinflation a decade ago, the uproar had all the hallmarks of a 'First World Problem'. "Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country," said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. "What is so special about this one?" As with many countries in Africa, in Zimbabwe big wild animals such as lions, elephants or hippos are seen either as a potential meal, or a threat to people and property that needs to be controlled or killed. The world of Palmer, who paid $50,000 to kill 13-year-old Cecil, is a very different one from that inhabited by millions of rural Africans who are more than occasionally victims of wild animal attacks. According to CrocBITE, a database, from January 2008 to October 2013, there were more than 460 recorded attacks by Nile crocodiles, most of them fatal. That tally is almost certainly a massive underrepresentation. "Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange."In additional to natural predators, Zimbabweans have long suffered the financial consequences of the disastrous leftist policies of Robert Mugabe and his party's iron-clad hold on power. Of course you never see any of this reported in the American news media, even one that insists it too believes that "black lives matter." - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/ken-she ... ONf4t.dpuf
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Re: Poor Lion.
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now this WASHINGTON - Four Democratic senators announced Friday that they will introduce a bill named for the beloved Zimbabwean lion Cecil, who was killed by an American trophy hunter earlier this month. The Conserving Ecosystems by Ceasing the Importation of Large (CECIL) Animal Trophies Act would extend current U.S. import and export restrictions on animal trophies to include species that have been proposed for listing as threatened or endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Current law provides protection only for species whose status on the list has been finalized by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and it can take over a year for the agency to complete an assessment. Democrats Bob Menendez (N.J.), Cory Booker (N.J.), Richard Blumenthal (Conn.) and Ben Cardin (Md.) are co-sponsoring the legislation. Click here to read the full text of the bill. http://www.menendez.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CECIL%20Animal%20Trophies%20Act.pdf
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Re: Poor Lion.
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Clem, he can't be prosecuted BY THE ZIMS under the Lacy Act.
but he could be prosecuted by USFWS here in the US under the Lacy Act.
Original intent of Lacy Act was to prosecute those dealing in interstate violations, like killing a deer illegally in Ga and moving it to Al. The act was later used to prosecute hunters that hunted illegally in another state or country and didn't transport anything across a state line, the so called hunt being called a sale. Nice slant by the anti hunter USFWS....
the land hunted on was seized land, and as such illegal for US hunters to hunt on. Also the quota thing may apply if it can be proven there was no lion quota for that property.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
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now this WASHINGTON - Four Democratic senators announced Friday that they will introduce a bill named for the beloved Zimbabwean lion Cecil, who was killed by an American trophy hunter earlier this month. The Conserving Ecosystems by Ceasing the Importation of Large (CECIL) Animal Trophies Act would extend current U.S. import and export restrictions on animal trophies to include species that have been proposed for listing as threatened or endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Current law provides protection only for species whose status on the list has been finalized by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and it can take over a year for the agency to complete an assessment. Democrats Bob Menendez (N.J.), Cory Booker (N.J.), Richard Blumenthal (Conn.) and Ben Cardin (Md.) are co-sponsoring the legislation. Click here to read the full text of the bill. http://www.menendez.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CECIL%20Animal%20Trophies%20Act.pdf kinda like arresting someone for thinking about robbing a bank.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Poor Lion.
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Its ridiculous, there wasnt this much rage in media over the freakin seals killed at Benghazi.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Poor Lion.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people...y-10077805.htmlRobert Mugabe isn't known for his subdued taste, and his million-dollar birthday was just as extravagant as people have come to expect.
The ZANU-PF leader saw in his 92nd year with the slaughter of wild animals, including an elephant, which were cooked and served to his guests.
His party took place at an exclusive lodge, spa and golf course in Victoria Falls, and it was estimated to have cost $1million (648,000). During the celebrations, Mugabe released 91 balloons into the sky with the help of his wife, Grace.
An estimated 20,000 people attended the party at Elephant Hills resort, which was put on to celebrate the birthday of the leader who has been accused of abusing human rights and democracy.
His guests were fed a young elephant, and two buffaloes, two sables and five impalas were also donated to the president by a local landowner. He also threw in a lion and a crocodile to be stuffed as an extra gift for Mugabe. On top of this, 40 cows were offered to the president by two members of his government. A second elephant is going to be shot and given to the Victoria Falls community.
Just one of the cakes Mugabe was presented with at his low-key soiree Held a week after his birthday, the celebrations were described as "totally unethical" by wildlife conservationists, and "obscene" by members of the opposition.
"All the money that has been collected to bankroll this obscene jamboree should be immediately channelled towards rehabilitating the collapsed public hospitals, clinics and rural schools in Matebeleland North province," said MDC spokesman Obert Gutu. Guests were also treated to a 90-minute speech, in which Mugabe decried American sanctions against Zimbabwe.
The USA "can't have it both ways," he said. "If they want to be friends then they must be friends with us in total and we allow them to have some safaris. But they can't say 'allow our people to visit, allow our people to have safaris, to kill our lions and take safari trophies to America'."
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