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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: 3toe] #1370493
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Originally Posted By: 3toe


That or when God created the Remington bolt action rifle.


WOOOO Hell Yeah !
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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: Dustin] #1370508
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Originally Posted By: Dustin
Originally Posted By: 3toe


That or when God created the Remington bolt action rifle.


WOOOO Hell Yeah !
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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: 300Ruger] #1370587
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Originally Posted By: 300Ruger


Light travels at a constant speed. Carbon deteriorates at a constant rate. God made many laws that aren't addressed in the Bible. We know that now and didn't know that in the time of Moses. You can pretend that physics is junk science, but ask the folks in Hiroshima how well their god/king held up against God's unwritten laws.


I've often wondered about this. How long have we been measuring this rate. 50, 100 years?
Can we really extrapolate the data from such a minute time period and apply it to a large time period (50 million years) and assume it's correct.


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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: bama7x57] #1370595
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Originally Posted By: bama7x57
Originally Posted By: 300Ruger


Light travels at a constant speed. Carbon deteriorates at a constant rate. God made many laws that aren't addressed in the Bible. We know that now and didn't know that in the time of Moses. You can pretend that physics is junk science, but ask the folks in Hiroshima how well their god/king held up against God's unwritten laws.


I've often wondered about this. How long have we been measuring this rate. 50, 100 years?
Can we really extrapolate the data from such a minute time period and apply it to a large time period (50 million years) and assume it's correct.


As a geologist and Christian, my head hurts from reading this thread.

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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: Possum Hunter] #1370596
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My father was a nuclear physicist and the branch manager of Teledyne Brown's nuclear weapons effects group. He had 30+ PhD's working for him and they were as deep as anyone can really get into quantum physics. He told me that the more he understood quantum physics, the more he was absolutely convinced that there had to be a God.

My point : You can find God everywhere you look ... Bible ... Science/Physics ... While you can twist science and scripture around to satisfy what you want to hear, you cannot deny Him, he created it all according to His own rules




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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: Possum Hunter] #1370606
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Teledyne.. didnt they make the terminator.

God may have created rem bolt action rifle..but the devil had to create the Yeti cooler. Its the only thing that could keep his beer cold in the depths of hell. laugh


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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: Rocket62] #1370612
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Originally Posted By: Rocket62
My father was a nuclear physicist and the branch manager of Teledyne Brown's nuclear weapons effects group. He had 30+ PhD's working for him and they were as deep as anyone can really get into quantum physics. He told me that the more he understood quantum physics, the more he was absolutely convinced that there had to be a God.

My point : You can find God everywhere you look ... Bible ... Science/Physics ... While you can twist science and scripture around to satisfy what you want to hear, you cannot deny Him, he created it all according to His won rules


thumbup That about sums it up...

Re: dinosaurs? [Re: 300Ruger] #1370626
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Originally Posted By: 300Ruger


Carbon deteriorates at a constant rate.


To pretend that carbon dating is a fact of science is misguided. There are many many questions surrounding the accuracy of carbon dating. There has been an every increasing list of things dated to be millions of years old that have since been found to be not nearly as old as dated by this method. One is the dinosaur bone that was found to contain soft tissue. Which is another rule of science which is in conflict with the carbon dating. Soft tissue cannot (according to science) remain in that condition for millions of years. Instead it appears to be thousands of years old not millions. This is just one example of many...

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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: Possum Hunter] #1370663
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(Insert pot stirring icon here)

Here is an interesting read for all you Bible scholars out there in regards to the New Earth/Old Earth argument. A few disclaimers, first:
1. Elohim is a Hebrew word for God
2. I'm not endorsing this view point, nor am I saying that I necessarily believe it.
3. If their research is correct, it would mean that the rapture of the Church should be happening within the year (I believe they say September)
4. This is an excerpt from this website. If you're interested in finding out more they have hours worth of reading on their research and go further in depth.

The 7000 Year Plan of Elohim

The prophet Moses said in Psalms 90:4 that 1000 years was as one day in the sight of Elohim. As time passed, the Spirit of Truth revealed that there was a corresponding theme between each of the seven millennial days of mankind's history and the seven Hebrew Days in the creation sequence. On Day One of creation, on the first day of the week on Yom Ri-shon, light was separated from darkness, and in the first millennium Adam's sin separated him from Elohim's light. On the second day, on Yom She-ni, there was a separation of the waters above and below, and in the second millennium, the waters above and below were used in judgment. On the third day, on Yom Shli-shi, plants yielding seed were created, and in the third millennium a promise was made to Abraham, that through his seed - the Messiah - all the nations of the earth would be blessed.

On the fourth day on Yom Re-vi-i the lights in heaven were created, and in the fourth millennium kings and prophets were given as lights to Israel and the Messiah was born. On the fifth day on Yom Ham-i-shi living creatures were created, and in the fifth millennium the Messiah died that we might become new creatures inheriting eternal life. On the sixth day on Yom Shi-shi man was told to fill the earth and subdue it, and in the sixth millennium man has filled the earth and subdued it. On the seventh day on Sha-bat Elohim rested, and in the seventh millennium the earth will be restored and man will rest in the Millennial Sabbath which is the Age of Life or the Millennial Kingdom. Peter said in 2 Peter 3:8 not to be ignorant of this one thing - with God; one day is as 1000 years and 1000 years is as one day.


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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: Flyway] #1370670
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Originally Posted By: Flyway
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Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
Re: dinosaurs? [Re: Rocket62] #1370681
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Originally Posted By: Rocket62
My father was a nuclear physicist and the branch manager of Teledyne Brown's nuclear weapons effects group. He had 30+ PhD's working for him and they were as deep as anyone can really get into quantum physics. He told me that the more he understood quantum physics, the more he was absolutely convinced that there had to be a God.

My point : You can find God everywhere you look ... Bible ... Science/Physics ... While you can twist science and scripture around to satisfy what you want to hear, you cannot deny Him, he created it all according to His own rules


This. This is what I have been saying the entire time. Sounds like I share my opinion with a very smart guy.

Re: dinosaurs? [Re: Rocket62] #1370688
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Originally Posted By: Rocket62
Originally Posted By: Flyway
(Insert pot stirring icon here)



Gracias!


Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
Re: dinosaurs? [Re: westflgator] #1370693
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Originally Posted By: westflgator
Originally Posted By: 300Ruger


Carbon deteriorates at a constant rate.


To pretend that carbon dating is a fact of science is misguided. There are many many questions surrounding the accuracy of carbon dating. There has been an every increasing list of things dated to be millions of years old that have since been found to be not nearly as old as dated by this method. One is the dinosaur bone that was found to contain soft tissue. Which is another rule of science which is in conflict with the carbon dating. Soft tissue cannot (according to science) remain in that condition for millions of years. Instead it appears to be thousands of years old not millions. This is just one example of many...


Depending on who you ask, the soft tissue story can't be real because how do you find soft tissue from a creature which never existed? slap

Look, I'm not a scientist by any means, but I do know enough about science to recognize that God set up physical laws that we all must comply with. I assume he can change them at will since they're His to change. But my point is, He made laws that are enforced by Him with out explanation. None of which are addressed in the Bible. Personally, I can't comprehend how anyone in this day and time could think the Earth is only 6,000 years old. The Egyptians kept pretty good records and their timelines can be traced back very accurately over 4,000 years. No Dinosaurs that I can recall.

Re: dinosaurs? [Re: straycat] #1370753
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Originally Posted By: straycat
Am I too late to join in? See Shaw, I didn't get fired up grin

Dinosaurs:

Dinosaurs were real. Created by God.

A global catastrophe wiped them out.

We see their bones as fossils deposited in sedimentary layers all over the earth.

Interestingly enough, in some areas we find their bones deposited in mass with hundreds or thousands of other bones-broken, splinted, separated, jumbled mess--huge graveyards.

In short we find millions of dead things deposited in sediment layers laid down by water all over the earth.

The Bible speaks of one global catastrophe we refer to as Noah's Flood, but when you read about it it is much more than a flood. What would we expect to see as the aftermath of such an event, if it were real?

We'd most likely find millions of dead things deposited in sediment layers laid down by water all over the earth.


Age of the Earth/Timeline:

I don't believe in the millions/billions of years as the progressive atheist evolutionist machine pushes.

I believe in a literal creation story as revealed to us in God's Word. Day means a literal 24 hour day--Hebrew word "yom".

When was the earth created?....recently compared to the billions of years crowd. If one goes by the genealogy in the OT as being a full complete list, then 6,000-7,000 years old. If one understands the genealogy is true but might not list everyone...assume only 1/10th complete...then 60,000-70,000 years would not be hard to imagine. Either way or somewhere in between, it is still far short of the Billions of years promoted by evolution scientists and would totally rule out their views on evolution of all species.

Why this is important to me? When God created the earth all was good. When sin entered the Garden, mankind and the earth was cursed. Prior to that there was no death, disease, suffering, chaos, etc...because all was good as God created it. Now if the dinosaurs lived ages prior to the Garden and then subsequently died in the catastrophic death hat the fossil record shows, then there is now death, suffering, chaos, destruction--ALL before the curse. All before the curse...do you see that? If death existed before sin entered the world with Adam and Eve, then there is no need for Christ. Then there is no need for salvation. There are theological and spiritual implications here.

God's Word is Holy, Perfect, Inerrant, and written and preserved just as God intended. It is history along with HIS-Story. Culture today wants to have all the answers and we as a people will twist and manipulate the bible in ways to justify what works well for our own minds. I say let the Bible stand for what it says and don't try to add to it or take things out of it...I say that because God told us the same thing.




Thank you, thank you, Lawd, thank you! I like the "Dr Dino" line too! I went through a phase many years ago where I watched every Kent Hovind piece I could find, it really helped shape my view on the matter. That's actually where I picked up the collapsed water layer idea.


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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: 300Ruger] #1370754
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Originally Posted By: 300Ruger
Originally Posted By: westflgator
Originally Posted By: 300Ruger


Carbon deteriorates at a constant rate.


To pretend that carbon dating is a fact of science is misguided. There are many many questions surrounding the accuracy of carbon dating. There has been an every increasing list of things dated to be millions of years old that have since been found to be not nearly as old as dated by this method. One is the dinosaur bone that was found to contain soft tissue. Which is another rule of science which is in conflict with the carbon dating. Soft tissue cannot (according to science) remain in that condition for millions of years. Instead it appears to be thousands of years old not millions. This is just one example of many...


Depending on who you ask, the soft tissue story can't be real because how do you find soft tissue from a creature which never existed? slap

Look, I'm not a scientist by any means, but I do know enough about science to recognize that God set up physical laws that we all must comply with. I assume he can change them at will since they're His to change. But my point is, He made laws that are enforced by Him with out explanation. None of which are addressed in the Bible. Personally, I can't comprehend how anyone in this day and time could think the Earth is only 6,000 years old. The Egyptians kept pretty good records and their timelines can be traced back very accurately over 4,000 years. No Dinosaurs that I can recall.


Carbon does NOT deteriorate at a constant rate. That has been debunked repeatedly by UNBIASED laboratories, but they suppress the $%$#@ out of that news.


We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Just to be clear, you guys that say the dinosaurs were killed in the flood are saying they existed in Noah's time?

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Helping stir the pot !

What a man believes is just that ,what he FEELS is right. It requires no empirical proof, no consistent results from repeated experimentation or peer review. Religion/ Theology/ is based on BELIEF not proof.
In the written history of mankind the term SCIENCE is relatively new. The process of investigation that was once called NATURAL PHILOSOPHY, became Science in the 17th century. Mental giants like Isaac Newton, and others were responsible for developing a method of investigation to attempt to explain observations in nature that were not self evident. It is hard to imagine today but at one time the CHURCH (Catholic Church) determined what was fact or not, in just about all matters (science included). With the advent of writing we humans became able to record ideas and pass them on. What we consider SCIENTIFIC FACT, changes as generations of researchers continue to investigate and add to and often redefine the pool of written knowledge. Science is not, or should not, be confused with RELIGIOUS BELIEF.

As far as carbon dating goes. If anyone tells you that they have carbon dated a DINOSAUR bone they are completely ignorant of Radiocarbon limits. The best techniques in carbon dating are limited to about 50,000-60,000 years.

For all you anti-evolution folks,here is another FACT. Evolution is for now and probably will only remain a THEORY. The EVOLUTION theory cannot be tested or repeated, and even if it could by its own tenets it would yield a different outcome each time.
To me it does best explain how organisms adapt to a changing environment and preserve an organisms existence. Maybe one day forensic genetics will be able to better explain the connection between the past and the present.




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Re: dinosaurs? [Re: charlie] #1370781
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Originally Posted By: charlie
Just to be clear, you guys that say the dinosaurs were killed in the flood are saying they existed in Noah's time?






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Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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