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Speaking of taxes #1328978
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Alabama has one of the lowest property taxes in the nation, and as a land owner I really appreciate it. Constantly I'm hearing people who don't own property say they want to raise them, mainly for education purposes. This could go off on several different directions, but it got me to thinking. People who own vehicles, pay vehicle and gas tax to support highways. People who own property pay taxes (a good chunk of it) to fund things they may not even use. Why should someone without children pay taxes for education and school improvements? I know how that sounds, and I know we need education for future generations. I just find it perplexing that people assume its OK to tax everyone the same that aren't using the same benefits. How about we tax every person who has a child in public school? What about renters that don't pay property tax? Their kids go to school just like a homeowners. Just thought this might be a good discussion, and it's always in my mind that its a matter of time before property taxes go up like other states.
Lots of "folks" will be tickled about it too.


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I agree and disagree. How's that for a political statement???
I'm a big proponent of a flat tax (federal, state, local, etc.)...let everyone pay the same % across the board, no loopholes, no exemptions, no excuses. That's as fair as it can be made.


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Re: Speaking of taxes [Re: globe] #1329121
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I was and still am a big fan of the FairTax. I just don't understand how it didn't gain any traction. Maybe one day.


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Re: Speaking of taxes [Re: globe] #1329225
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Now you done hit a nerve. First, I disagree with you on 1 thing you said: Renters don't pay property taxes. Actually, they do. Property taxes go up, rent goes up. Property taxes go up, hunting leases go up. NOW, the hitting the nerve part: Property taxes!! In order to say we have low property taxes is cherry picking. You have to look at an individuals WHOLE tax bill. Example: Florida-No tax on groceries, income, or medicine. High property tax. Alabama-Tax on groceries, income, medicine, and property. So, if Florida resident and Alabama resident both pay the same in tax (I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS EACTLY THE SAME) does it matter what you CALL the tax. Also, property tax, unless you claim current use, changes from property to property for no rhyme or reason. In other words, 2 identical properties could and do have different taxes. Also, during the slow economy when my property was losing value supposedly, my taxes continued to rise...every year. And I protested it every year. I could go on and on but I will stop now and let 2Dogs take it from here.

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I claim current use on every acre that my house is not on.
People think just because you have a little land your rich, but income comes in slower than you think. Taxes are right on time every year. Lol


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Re: Speaking of taxes [Re: globe] #1329240
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When I am looking to buy a tract I always pull the taxes up. Shocking how many people don't claim current use. And homestead where your house is. But the way they slide it in on people that don't pay attention isn't right. You still have to look at the individuals WHOLE tax bill.

Re: Speaking of taxes [Re: globe] #1329249
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Give and take on low property taxes.

On funding education: First IF I had my way, the state would have zero input in education. Parents are responsible to educating their own children, not the state. Now if a county or local city wanted to have public schools then they can fund it and run it how they wish by their own standards. Secondly, I know that will never happen since education is a big business across the state. So since we have the public schools, they have to be funded by the public...we are stuck with it. Since we are stuck with it I will say that funding the education of our children is a civic duty of everyone and property taxes and other taxes are appropriate at some level. HOWEVER....I do insist (although it is like peeing in the wind) that if you home school or send your kids to a private school then you should get that % off your property taxes that would otherwise go to public education for your children--but only while your kids are in private or home school. Home school and private school is in fact funding the education of children and since we pay for it out of our own pockets, we are fulfilling our civic duty. One kids are out of school, go back to regular percentage on property taxes. Education benefits the community and culture, so all should pay for it in some manner--now that we are stuck with public schools.

My views are kinda different, yeah I know.


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Re: Speaking of taxes [Re: globe] #1329250
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Better schools mean better home values. Even the old people benefit from better schools.

Renters do pay taxes, it's just rolled into their rent.

Re: Speaking of taxes [Re: trlrdrdave] #1329287
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Originally Posted By: trlrdrdave
I was and still am a big fan of the FairTax. I just don't understand how it didn't gain any traction. Maybe one day.

Too many IRS bureaucrats would lose their jobs. I'm sure both parties also use the IRS as a weapon against political opponents, too. If you can keep adding laws and complicating them more and more, eventually you can target whoever you want and make them guilty of something. There's too much power there for either party to seriously hand back to the public.

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Originally Posted By: toothdoc
Better schools mean better home values. Even the old people benefit from better schools.

Renters do pay taxes, it's just rolled into their rent.


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Re: Speaking of taxes [Re: toothdoc] #1329400
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Originally Posted By: toothdoc
Better schools mean better home values. Even the old people benefit from better schools.


I'm all for better schools but I still don't understand why there is a need for 167 schools districts when you could make do with one for each county. Even if you went with one for each county and say one for each city over 50k population you still are funding only about 75 districts.

There is probably a $10MIL+ savings in cutting down the staffing of all those districts.


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Originally Posted By: Dustin
Originally Posted By: toothdoc
Better schools mean better home values. Even the old people benefit from better schools.


I'm all for better schools but I still don't understand why there is a need for 167 schools districts when you could make do with one for each county. Even if you went with one for each county and say one for each city over 50k population you still are funding only about 75 districts.

There is probably a $10MIL+ savings in cutting down the staffing of all those districts.


Some counties may work fine with one school system. We tried that in Mobile County and it didn't work very well. Too big, too inefficient. The north Mobile schools were under the same school board member that Prichard was under, so guess where the majority of the money went? The three cities' schools that broke away from Mobile County are doing much better than they were before.

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That's why I said to allow a system with over 50k population their own district.

Calhoun County has
Jacksonville pop 12k
Piedmont pop 4500
Anniston pop 23k
Oxford pop 20k

Each of those is a district that pays their superintendent $100K per year. Their totals are $500k
Add in the Calhoun County Super and it is around $625K per year just in salaries for Supers. You multiply that by 67 and you are looking at $40 Million a year in just salaries for Supers.

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Originally Posted By: Dustin
That's why I said to allow a system with over 50k population their own district.

Calhoun County has
Jacksonville pop 12k
Piedmont pop 4500
Anniston pop 23k
Oxford pop 20k

Each of those is a district that pays their superintendent $100K per year. Their totals are $500k
Add in the Calhoun County Super and it is around $625K per year just in salaries for Supers. You multiply that by 67 and you are looking at $40 Million a year in just salaries for Supers.

None of the three cities in Mobile county have that much population.
After years of seeing tax dollars blown in Prichard and very few improvements to schools in Chickasaw, Saraland and Satsuma, there initially was a move to have several cities combine under a North Mobile School System. The Mobile County School System pushed to get the law changed where only single cities could form another system, so the schools in the three cities above would still be screwed under what you're proposing. The vast majority of tax money in our district was from cities other than Prichard, but Prichard always ended up with the vast majority of the spending. We couldn't outvote Prichard, and we couldn't get redistricted.

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Saraland, Satsuma and Chickasaw have about 5000 students. They are paying $350,000 in Super salary.

That is a waste of money. Chickasaw Super is probably one of the top paid Supers if he only has about 1000 students.
The funding needs to be tied to the student. Each school gets funded based on enrollment. If you can't make it work with that then you best get to selling cookies, doughnuts and flower bulbs.


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Originally Posted By: Dustin
Saraland, Satsuma and Chickasaw have about 5000 students. They are paying $350,000 in Super salary.

That is a waste of money. Chickasaw Super is probably one of the top paid Supers if he only has about 1000 students.
The funding needs to be tied to the student. Each school gets funded based on enrollment. If you can't make it work with that then you best get to selling cookies, doughnuts and flower bulbs.

And generally, the people who have kids in these systems do. Lots of fund raisers here in Saraland for the schools. It's all good until it's your kid who goes to an overcrowded school with the bare minimum while your good tax money mainly goes to Prichard and down the toilet. Again, maybe your county can make it work, but seeing these three cities break away has been a blessing to our side of the county.

Re: Speaking of taxes [Re: globe] #1329572
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It needs to go up a bit. The big landowners need to pay more to help out. That means the little landowners like myself will pay a little more too. I'm good with that.

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It needs to go up a bit.

F@&* that noise. Just how much does it cost to teach a kid read and write?


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Originally Posted By: Simpleman
It needs to go up a bit. The big landowners need to pay more to help out. That means the little landowners like myself will pay a little more too. I'm good with that.


Why the hell should it go up? Why do I even get taxed forever on the property?? I saved & scraped thousands or hundreds of thousands to buy timberland, why to I have to pay again year after year if it just sits there (or income tax of a product/profit is produced)? What if you had to pay a yearly property tax on every gun, bow, or tree stand you have? I'm sure that would go to help education, so you're good with taxing that property, right?

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Originally Posted By: Simpleman
It needs to go up a bit. The big landowners need to pay more to help out. That means the little landowners like myself will pay a little more too. I'm good with that.
I've got to say I've never cared for the term landowner. Because actually we don't really own shucks! If u don't pay your rent (property taxes) they'll take yo shucks..Property taxes suck!!! grin


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Originally Posted By: james
I've got to say I've never cared for the term landowner. Because actually we don't really own shucks! If u don't pay your rent (property taxes) they'll take yo shucks..


Truer words have never been spoken.

To agree with others - I would like just a simple flat tax based on income - regardless of how high or low a person's income. No more State, city, sales, property, gas, business...etc taxes - just tax my income with no deductions.


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Originally Posted By: Simpleman
It needs to go up a bit. The big landowners need to pay more to help out. That means the little landowners like myself will pay a little more too. I'm good with that.


BS!!! You do know property taxes aren't just "landowners" don't you? It's homes and businesses also. My home already goes up EVERY year for no reason. Most people don't realize this since their taxes come out with their home payment each month. Business tax goes up and they pass it on to consumers. So, property taxes goes up people will pay more for land tax and hunting leases, home tax, and business tax and goods consumed. Essentially, for a lot of people a 1% (or mill which most people don't understand) property tax increase would be a 1% income tax with everything going up. Why does education have to come from property taxes? The money is already there, just not being used wisely. The State needs to be run like a household when it comes to money. A household can't TELL their boss they need more money. We budget and make it work with what we have.

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I guess I missed the part in the OP about it being for schools. I agree with y'all on the schools getting plenty.My dad and I was talking on this very same subject a few years back during another school crisis that we always have. We compared the adjusted per student spending in that days dollars between New Brockton School in 1955 and the current average in the state. I can't recall the exact amounts but I do remember the current amount was over 3 times the 1955 rate. Remember I said we adjusted 1955 dollars to current years dollars.
Property taxes are dirt cheap in this state (no pun intended) but the overall tax burden is not. I was thinking that there is definitely room to redistribute some of that burden but you guys are right. They would just raise the rate on property taxes and leave everything else where it is.

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Simpleman, this is just a touchy subject with me. Not sales tax or income tax. Just property tax and inheritance tax. Now inheritance tax is not going to effect me but it too is BS.
Don't get me wrong, we have to have taxes for services we receive. Property taxes, well, if I could sell all my property for what they appraise it for, I would. I can hire an appraiser and fight it but I would be sending good money after bad. This is where current use on land helps. Inheritance tax, seriously, how can anyone justify that?? Others have mentioned flat tax or fair tax. Will never happen because the politicians can't screw the people enough. As I said, we HAVE to have taxes, but these 2 just get under my skin. Inheritance tax because its BS and property tax because of the way its done.

Simpleman, my ire is directed at you...unless these 2 tax ideas where yours. grin

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Property is an investment. Why can a man choose to invest in stocks or bonds and not have to pay a tax on the value every year while a man who invests in property does? That doesn't make any sense to me.

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I simply cannot understand how there hasn't been a violent revolt against our government about taxes period!!!!!!! I'm afraid to express just how I really feel about it, especially income taxes. Why do we need so much taxation???? Damn all this intelligent discussion about percentages and fine print minutia regarding what it does and doesn't do, and how to find this loophole or that exemption. Where's the talk about absolutely getting rid of 90% of all taxes period??? I want an opt out on Social Security even!!! I'll forfeit what I've already paid in, just let me out!!!!!....enough already.

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I posted this in another thread before I realized a tax thread was already in progress.



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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
I simply cannot understand how there hasn't been a violent revolt against our government about taxes period!!!!!!! I'm afraid to express just how I really feel about it, especially income taxes. Why do we need so much taxation???? Damn all this intelligent discussion about percentages and fine print minutia regarding what it does and doesn't do, and how to find this loophole or that exemption. Where's the talk about absolutely getting rid of 90% of all taxes period??? I want an opt out on Social Security even!!! I'll forfeit what I've already paid in, just let me out!!!!!....enough already.


We have to have taxes for services we receive but I agree there has to be a breaking point, same as with the national debt. The politicians mentality of "screw the mule, load the wagon" will eventually get it to where the mule (me and you) can't pull the wagon. It's gonna be ugly at that point for a lot of people.

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Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: ikillbux
I simply cannot understand how there hasn't been a violent revolt against our government about taxes period!!!!!!! I'm afraid to express just how I really feel about it, especially income taxes. Why do we need so much taxation???? Damn all this intelligent discussion about percentages and fine print minutia regarding what it does and doesn't do, and how to find this loophole or that exemption. Where's the talk about absolutely getting rid of 90% of all taxes period??? I want an opt out on Social Security even!!! I'll forfeit what I've already paid in, just let me out!!!!!....enough already.


We have to have taxes for services we receive but I agree there has to be a breaking point, same as with the national debt. The politicians mentality of "screw the mule, load the wagon" will eventually get it to where the mule (me and you) can't pull the wagon. It's gonna be ugly at that point for a lot of people.


I concur. I feel the same way, I just say it a bit more vehemently! LOL I just have a fundamental belief system that the government should not be in the business of financial assistance (to citizenry nor corporation), so an enormous percentage of those services could be abolished, thus the tax burden could be substantially reduced. If I could keep $20,000 more in my pocket, I would spend that money, thus the sales tax would make up (somewhat) for the reduction in income tax.


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I disagree, renters pay rent and property owners pay property taxes. Just because a renter charges the tennant a little extra doesn't mean he can pass the responsibility on the the renter. That money is not earmarked for property taxes. Who is gonna lose their property if the taxes aren't payed? A renter has no skin in the game other than moving to another house/apartment. Two people ( renter and tennant ) can't both be paying taxes on the same property. One of them pays and one of them doesn't, period. I understand your logic, but in the end only one of them writes the check.
Wow! "Big land owners" need to pay more! Don't worry, it's coming soon enough I'm afraid.


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Originally Posted By: globe
I disagree, renters pay rent and property owners pay property taxes. Just because a renter charges the tennant a little extra doesn't mean he can pass the responsibility on the the renter. That money is not earmarked for property taxes. Who is gonna lose their property if the taxes aren't payed? A renter has no skin in the game other than moving to another house/apartment. Two people ( renter and tennant ) can't both be paying taxes on the same property. One of them pays and one of them doesn't, period. I understand your logic, but in the end only one of them writes the check.
Wow! "Big land owners" need to pay more! Don't worry, it's coming soon enough I'm afraid.


There is no denying what you are saying is true. I just like to point out that raising ANY tax can and does affect EVERYONE. Since this is a hunting site, I usually like to mention the correlation between property taxes and lease prices.

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Originally Posted By: Simpleman
It needs to go up a bit. The big landowners need to pay more to help out. That means the little landowners like myself will pay a little more too. I'm good with that.


Not NO, but Hell NO!! Nobody needs to pay more taxes, period. Everybody needs to pay less taxes. America does NOT have a tax problem, we have a services/spending problem. No household or business on the planet can operate like the American government does. In my home we don't extort extra income from our neighbors, we cut our bills. Government has NO business financially assisting citizenry, which is what a landslide majority of taxation is used for. Pave my streets, pay the cops and firemen, then get the $%^%@ out of my wallet.

I swear I'm not sure if most Americans are dumb@$$e$ or filthy rich zillionaires????....it's got to be one of those options for someone who doesn't miss their tax dollars. I just paid an obscene, virtually criminal amount in income taxes this past year, then still had to write the Feds a check for $7,800 more dollars!!! I'm just one guy!...ONE GUY!!!!!! There are 335,000,000 million Americans, and just little ol me paid THAT much??? Tax revenue is NOT the problem.

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It's all good centralala. I don't like paying taxes either. I'm just like you though and realize that if any of us are going to have anything, we are going to have to pay for it.
If the politicians would make the hard decisions and reel this overspending in then I for one would be willing to dig deep to help save our nation and state. I'm just afraid we have nobody left with enough balls to do what needs doing and tell all the naysayers to sit down, shut up and enjoy the ride.

P.s. I want to pay the exact taxes that I owe the government. Not a penny more or less. I work in countries that have no organized tax structure to speak of.. Y'all don't want that third world crap I promise you. Am I a zillionaire, no. And I a dumb arse, maybe. But I know full well what the alternative looks like.
Be a patriot, pay your taxes, support your government, pray for your leaders and work to change it from within if you don't like. My rant is over, carry on.

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Hillary is glad to see her 'it takes a village' doctrine has made it to Alabama. I want the school to teach math and english and leave the home values to mom and dad.


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I agree and disagree. How's that for a political statement???
I'm a big proponent of a flat tax (federal, state, local, etc.)...let everyone pay the same % across the board, no loopholes, no exemptions, no excuses. That's as fair as it can be made.
i support a consumer tax, similar to a sales tax. You get 100% of your income, when you purchase something then you pay taxes proportionate to the cost of what you purchased.ex. if you buy a $20k Hyundai then you pay perhaps a 10% federal tax and 5% state tax and so on, if you purchase a $150k Mercedes then you pay perhaps a 15% fed and 8% state tax. No loopholes, no deductions and every consumer pay taxes


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No one (well, okay, maybe someone) is making a fidelitous argument for absolutely no taxes. But can you persuade me that any one earner should be giving more than, say, 10% (just as an arbitrarily low number)? Supppse you are in the range of middle to upper middle class, do you truly have no matter with being taxed approximately 25-35%?--AND THAT IS ONLY INCOME TAXES!!!! You will then lose roughly 25% more of that already taxed income to purchase and/or possess things. Then when you die, your family will be owing about 50% of what you had left. If I make $100,000 why would the government need $25,000 of paycheck? Sincerely, does that not sound completely unbelievable? And they're still screaming for more. That is horrifying, because it is not just unstainable, but it's detrimental.

Taxes are the ultimate example of treating the symptoms instead of curing the cause. Mass generations of unskilled, uneducated, low-functioning cretins, unable to produce, unable to even obtain food and housing (the two most basic tenets of sustenance) are the reason we pay such obscene taxes. I'm not making the trite old rhetoric of "those lazy bums need to get off the porch and go to work", I'm saying that we have become a nation incapable of equipping the masses, and unable to employ the low functioning. It's the pink elephant in the corner, and the only thing we do is steadily shovel it another scoop of tax peanuts.

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I agree with almost everything you said. We are an entitlement society and we over tax the middle and upper income people to pay for it.

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Simple man, I'll ask again, are you in favor of increasing personal property tax on other items that you own (in addition to land)?

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I apologize cullbuck, I overlooked your original post earlier.
I am not for increasing the total tax burden on we the people.
Something to consider though, It is a fact that Alabama has one of the least property tax burdens in the USA. We are consistently in the top five and if you were to look at current use (forestry and Ag land) we rank even higher. Vast tracts of our land in this great State is taxed at extremely low milage rates. I made my original statement based on that fact and that the State could ease the burden on most of its citizens and transfe that burden to current use property taxes. Upon further reflection, I realize now that it was silly of me to think that the State would lower any taxes if others were raised. Below is an old article I found that speaks to the States property tax issue better than I can here.

http://www.al.com/specialreport/birminghamnews/index.ssf?blackbelt/blackbelt14.html
Note: this article was written for a different purpose than I am using for and I don't necessarily agree with all of the conclusions drawn in it. I am just using it to reference how our state land tax system works and the lower income that is generated from our Ag and timber land as opposed to most of the rest of the country. I feel it does a good job highlighting the issues there.

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Simpleman, you either get up too early or stay up to late. Me...I just never sleep.

The article you posted brings up some good points but overlooks some of the obvious. Politics and the work force won't work. Now, every county has good hard working people. Some more than others. Macon co. and property taxes fall squarely on Bob Rileys shoulders. On property taxes, he tried to give the largest tax hike the state ad ever seen using basicly the same scare tactics Bentley is using. When it failed, he slid in the appraisal system we have now for property that essential goes up every year. On Macon co., he shut down the dog track that employed a lot of people. When GE Engines came in wanting to build a manufacturing plant near either U of A or AU, he had a prime opportunity to replace those jobs. GE chose AU which is mighty close to Macon co. Instead, he pushed Lee co. In Lowndes co., where GE built a plastics plant, it was difficult to find workers who wanted a job. The ones that did, got good paying jobs and moved out to neighboring counties and commute back to Lowndes for work. I don't have the answers but more taxes is not it.

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Simpleman, you either get up too early or stay up to late. Me...I just never sleep.

The article you posted brings up some good points but overlooks some of the obvious. Politics and the work force won't work. Now, every county has good hard working people. Some more than others. Macon co. and property taxes fall squarely on Bob Rileys shoulders. On property taxes, he tried to give the largest tax hike the state ad ever seen using basicly the same scare tactics Bentley is using. When it failed, he slid in the appraisal system we have now for property that essential goes up every year. On Macon co., he shut down the dog track that employed a lot of people. When GE Engines came in wanting to build a manufacturing plant near either U of A or AU, he had a prime opportunity to replace those jobs. GE chose AU which is mighty close to Macon co. Instead, he pushed Lee co. In Lowndes co., where GE built a plastics plant, it was difficult to find workers who wanted a job. The ones that did, got good paying jobs and moved out to neighboring counties and commute back to Lowndes for work. I don't have the answers but more taxes is not it.


Good morning. I was in the process of relocating from my lazy boy to my bed! I agree wholeheartedly, more taxes is not the answer and I'm not saying I have the answer I just know that our property tax system is geared towards reducing the tax burden on owners of large tracts of timber and Ag land. It's that way due to decades of lobbying activity and I don't think we can lay it on Bob or any other one governor.

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I'm gonna leave it here. Nothing wrong with a good civil debate without name calling. Good discussion. We just disagree....and I'm right!! grin grin grin

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I'm gonna leave it here. Nothing wrong with a good civil debate without name calling. Good discussion. We just disagree....and I'm right!! grin grin grin

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That article is about inequality in black and whites as much as its about property taxes. I read it, but I knew where it was going after the initial paragraph. Current use is for landowners who don't get revenue from their land every year. Also the article says " pine production is at an all time high", that also means pine prices are at an all time low! We've gone 10 yrs without a single cutting, but taxes come in every year. Also, after I cut the timber that I planted, and I payed for, "I" get to pay capital gains on. Why should I pay capital gains on my timber when the excuse for higher taxes is BECAUSE I get to cut timber! Tax me every year or tax me when I cut timber, why do both? Yearly taxes are "just because" I have timber? Oh and the federal government is most likely going to raise capital gains in the near future too! For the same reason that the people of the state want property taxes to be raised, to take from people who have saved and spent thriftily and give to the ones who don't. I bought some land in 09 by going and borrowing money and not buying a new truck. I'm considered rich because I own land, but I'd like to be left alone and be considered smart!


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Originally Posted By: Simpleman
It needs to go up a bit. The big landowners need to pay more to help out. That means the little landowners like myself will pay a little more too. I'm good with that.

Crap on that I pay enough taxes already and I saved the State money by paying my taxes and sending my kid to private school. The government need to learn how to live within a budget and spend money wisely.


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