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State of Alabama funding crisis
#1328071
04/15/15 10:18 AM
04/15/15 10:18 AM
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Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 19,088 Chelsea, AL
straycat
OP
Old Mossy Horns
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Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 19,088
Chelsea, AL
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We've been hearing for months now about the gloom and doom of lack of $. In my mind there are two main issues at hand.
1. We still have areas of overlap and wasteful spending that can be made more efficient and streamlined better. Lots has been done already, but there is room for more.
2. Our revenue dollar allocation process is totally messed up...it is the messed up type of system Alabama has that is causing so much trouble.
Right now, nearly 90% (I think this is accurate) of each and every revenue dollar coming into the state already has a home by AL law---it is EARMARKED to go to certain agencies or programs. The Alabama Congress has very little flexibility to move money around to fund what needs to be funded. We are left with deep deficits or holes in the General Fund Budget that way.
What needs to happen is to rewrite and redo our Alabama Constitution. They way money is appropriated is not working well. Our constitutional amendment process for every little thing is burdensome. The way things are set up removes local control over local issues. Why should the rest of the state have to vote on something Mobile County may want to do? Or any county for that matter. Revamping our antiquated constitution must be done right though...retain our rights and conservative values...don't give it away through bad language.
If we can overhaul our system, we can be more flexible with $ allocation to meet needs. We must still be as efficient as possible so not to have to go to the tax well so often. But our broken system is bleeding us dry the way it is now.
My 2 cents.
Last edited by straycat; 04/15/15 10:18 AM.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: straycat]
#1328203
04/15/15 01:17 PM
04/15/15 01:17 PM
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Joined: May 2010
Posts: 5,911 Cullman
CKyleC
(Can't Keep It Up...)
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(Can't Keep It Up...)
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 5,911
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There isn't a lack of money. There is an over-abundance of spending.
That being said, I would be ok with re-doing our Constitution IF it was in a manner that guaranteed the same individual rights and protections as today. That won't happen.
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: jlbuc10]
#1328291
04/15/15 03:06 PM
04/15/15 03:06 PM
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Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,617 Bay Minette, AL
scrubbuck
10 point
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10 point
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,617
Bay Minette, AL
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Most local tax dollars stay local. And it is your local government, city councils, and county commissions that are voting and deciding where your dollars are being placed. I'm in muni bonds I do this every day. Most do not stay local. Most are sent to Montgomery and are then redistributed throughout the 67 counties. A handful of revenue generating counties such as Baldwin, Madison and about 4 others get screwed, while most smaller counties benefit. Most counties in this state do not generate enough revenue to operate on their own.
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: scrubbuck]
#1328451
04/15/15 04:56 PM
04/15/15 04:56 PM
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Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 11,651 Longwood, FL
jlbuc10
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Most local tax dollars stay local. And it is your local government, city councils, and county commissions that are voting and deciding where your dollars are being placed. I'm in muni bonds I do this every day. Most do not stay local. Most are sent to Montgomery and are then redistributed throughout the 67 counties. A handful of revenue generating counties such as Baldwin, Madison and about 4 others get screwed, while most smaller counties benefit. Most counties in this state do not generate enough revenue to operate on their own. That's why they borrow, and those debts are paid in tax dollars.
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: Tru-Talker]
#1328535
04/16/15 12:55 AM
04/16/15 12:55 AM
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Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,838 Parts Unknown
Cletus
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There ain't no funding crisis....it's a spending crisis.... Yep
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: Cletus]
#1328562
04/16/15 01:47 AM
04/16/15 01:47 AM
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Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,743 Lower AL
k bush
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Lower AL
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First, I work for state government. Please understand that things are cut about as far as they can go. Every agency is being told to plan for another 10-15% cut with those funds being transferred to Corrections and Medicaid.
The only way to accomplish this is to cut services. I.E. close state parks, longer wait for licenses and permits, less inspections, etc.
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: k bush]
#1328576
04/16/15 02:15 AM
04/16/15 02:15 AM
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Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,831 If you only knew.....
Tru-Talker
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Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,831
If you only knew.....
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Please understand that things are cut about as far as they can go.
The only way to accomplish this is to cut services. I.E. close state parks, longer wait for licenses and permits, less inspections, etc. How bout do away with stuff like this.... Waste... More waste... I could go on and on....but I have work to do....
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...
Confucius
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: Tru-Talker]
#1328588
04/16/15 02:22 AM
04/16/15 02:22 AM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 63,752 Luverne, AL
Skinny
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GUVNER
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Posts: 63,752
Luverne, AL
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Please understand that things are cut about as far as they can go.
The only way to accomplish this is to cut services. I.E. close state parks, longer wait for licenses and permits, less inspections, etc. How bout do away with stuff like this.... Waste... More waste... I could go on and on....but I have work to do.... That's Federal Waste, a totally different ball of wax.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: Skinny]
#1328592
04/16/15 02:24 AM
04/16/15 02:24 AM
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Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,831 If you only knew.....
Tru-Talker
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Booner
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,831
If you only knew.....
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Please understand that things are cut about as far as they can go.
The only way to accomplish this is to cut services. I.E. close state parks, longer wait for licenses and permits, less inspections, etc. How bout do away with stuff like this.... Waste... More waste... I could go on and on....but I have work to do.... That's Federal Waste, a totally different ball of wax. I understand that...but if you think they ain't wasting state tax dollars to....you are as naive as the other voters....
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...
Confucius
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: straycat]
#1328826
04/16/15 05:33 AM
04/16/15 05:33 AM
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Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 19,088 Chelsea, AL
straycat
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Old Mossy Horns
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Right now the spending allocation is set up through our Constitution provisions or by statute....dictating allocation to the General Fund Budget and the to separate Education Budget. Within the General Fund Budget are mandatory set allocation percentages (earmarks)to various agencies and departments or programs. By law, these earmarks must be funded. What is left is very little flexible discretionary allocation amounts to fill holes or shortfalls in various places from year to year. This got set up by our legislators over the decades or by referendum voting on certain taxes to be used only for certain purposes. Over the years the mandatory earmarked allocations grew and grew. Today 91% of all dollars coming in via taxes are earmarked in Alabama. The national average is 24%. Anyone see a problem here? THIS IS A REALLY POOR WAY TO DO THINGS! It is time to undo the earmarks. In my opinion at least. Funny timing perhaps, but I wrote my opinions out yesterday and today Yellowhammer has an article by Rep. Will Ainsworth on the same topic. Some of the info above is from that article. Spells it out nicely as something to consider revamping. Yellowhammer Politics-Earmarks
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: Tru-Talker]
#1329014
04/16/15 07:55 AM
04/16/15 07:55 AM
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Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,743 Lower AL
k bush
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Where would you make your cuts? What state programs and services would you eliminate?
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: State of Alabama funding crisis
[Re: k bush]
#1329046
04/16/15 08:22 AM
04/16/15 08:22 AM
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Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,363 Montgomery
WmHunter
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The problem with rewriting the Alabama Constitution is that upteen thousand liberal groups will battle to remove all restrictions on the power of the State govt., will want all references to God and the fact that rights come from God removed, they will want the gun rights, natural rights etc parts removed, they will want sodomite/lesbian/pedophile/transgender/polygamist rights put in, radical environmentalist will fight for God knows what, and have to say that most conservatives are also incompetent to write a true constitution. What will happen is we sell our birth right for a mess of pottage.
I'd rather have another amendment to solve any earmark issues.
And another amendment that says there does not need to be amendments any more for local issues - just a local vote.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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