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45 ACP Ballistic Gel Tests #1295824
03/13/15 07:51 AM
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Been testing some 45 acp with a friend to day. Thought you 45 acp guys might like some results. Weapon used = Glock 21 in 45 acp. First up = Remington 230 gr JHP UMC. It penetrated 17 inchs in 10% gel. Almost came out the back off 18 inch block! Expansion Measured .717 AND it weight 229.1 grains. Next was 230 gr Federal Hydro Shok. It penetrated 14.5 inchs. AND had .657 expansion. Its weight was 227.8 grains. It had a little peice break-off at around 12 inchs. Next is Hornady 230 XTP +P. It went 15.5 inchs and expanded to .697 BUT it had petal loss at 13.1 inchs and only weighted 213.7 grains total. WE WERE very disapointed in this +P round! SO to sum it up the CHEAP Wal-mart ammo is what we re-tested. 3 out of 5 shots went 16.5 to 17.2 inchs in 10% ballistic gel. HAD 2 rounds go the full 18 inchs and exit!!!! IT really suprises me that the Wal-mart Remington 230 gr JHP UMC has better expansion than the highly recommed Hornady XTP+P. Lots of LEOs and other bragg about how good it is. Im I missing some thing here??? ITs 24 dollars for 25 rds. Remington 230 gr. JHP UMC is 38.99 per 100??? Accuracy is the same out of MY Glock 21 with Remington OR Hornady. So cheap Remington 230gr JHP UMCs is what I will be shooting. thumbup

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I've been using Remington HTP in my carry guns (38 & 40).

I haven't tested them, but they shoot great with no malfunctions and seem to have low flash powders in the dark.

They are about $35 for 50 rounds.


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Re: 45 ACP Ballistic Gel Tests [Re: Bigbamaboy] #1295921
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When my friend re-casts the ballistic gel, we may try some more OR differnt 45 ACP ammo this weekend. I love the fact Remington 230 gr JHP are so cheap and preform so well.

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Test some Winchester Ranger T in 230gr. The Ranger T is Black Talon without the black to be politically correct.

I'd be willing to supply a few rounds for testing if need be.

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Do some Rem HTP and some Corbon DPX.

Im curious.


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Re: 45 ACP Ballistic Gel Tests [Re: Bigbamaboy] #1296037
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No Corbon OR Ranger T at Academy. I was thinking about these 3 for testing = Hornady Critical Defense. Guard Dog Federal Premium. Winchester PDX1 .

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I'd be interested to see how the Critical Defense preforms. I like using the UMC ammo. Good test. Thanks for posting.


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I'll have to get some of the Remington -thanks for the info..

Do the 230gr. winchester FMJ expand much ?
I bought three boxes when I bought my kahr cw 45 and have only fired the gun about twenty times.


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Originally Posted By: mwe
I'll have to get some of the Remington -thanks for the info..

Do the 230gr. winchester FMJ expand much ?
I bought three boxes when I bought my kahr cw 45 and have only fired the gun about twenty times.


FMJ is not an expanding projectile.


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Re: 45 ACP Ballistic Gel Tests [Re: shooters] #1296166
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Didn't federal come out with an expanding FMJ round? Not regular FMJ ball ammo, but a round that flattens out.


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Re: 45 ACP Ballistic Gel Tests [Re: N2TRKYS] #1296167
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Got the PDX1, Hornady Critical Defense, and the Guard Dog at Academy tonite. Will shoot them 2morrow and give report on them. Like Wiley said FMJs dont expand BUT I could shoot a FMJ Gold Monarch to see how far it goes. thumbup

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http://www.federalpremium.com/products/brands/guard_dog.aspx

Answered my own question. I didn't know it was the guard dog stuff.


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Re: 45 ACP Ballistic Gel Tests [Re: Bigbamaboy] #1296177
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Originally Posted By: Bigbamaboy
Didn't federal come out with an expanding FMJ round? Not regular FMJ ball ammo, but a round that flattens out.
I saw about 8 different Federals at Academy. I got the Guard Dog. The new one your thinking about maybe = Federal HST Personal Defense??? OR Federal Premium Pratice and Defense 230 gr?? Those where the news 1s out at Academy that I saw.

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Which Academy do you use? I usually buy from Gadsden, I've been buying 230gr FMJ for my G21 gen4 but would like to know how all of the hollow points work, specifically the Hornady Critical Defense.

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The 1 in Gadsden. We stopped buy after dinner and got ammo. They even had a few boxs of 22s. I got 333 Winchestes 22s and 3 boxs of 45 ACP. I will try to post results of Win chester PDX1,Critical Defense, and Guard Dog tommorrow after lunch. IF it doesnt rain, we will start shooting AR-15s and pistols around 9 am will be done buy 12-1 pm. thumbup

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I would be curious as to how 230 FMJ rates, as a base line.

Also, if you are interested, I would be glad to provide some reloads with a 200 LSWC pushed by 5 grns of Bullseye. I would REALLY like to know how the cast bullet performs in gel.

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Re: 45 ACP Ballistic Gel Tests [Re: mirage243] #1297014
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Just finished up second round of shooting 45 acps. 4 different bullets in 10% Gel. Will start new post in a few mins! thumbup

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Text your pics to Jeremy so he can postem up.


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Re: 45 ACP Ballistic Gel Tests [Re: Bigbamaboy] #1297086
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Originally Posted By: Bigbamaboy
Text your pics to Jeremy so he can postem up.
THAT would have been a great idea! NOW you mention it slap . The 5 cast Gel blocks are my friends. WE pull bullets, measure them, and put cut open gel in a empty plastic clean trash can= so not to make them dirt, when Terry recasts them. Next time, what if I set up chrono and take pics of fps and wound channels??? I have though about doing that, THEN I could text some oen the pics since IM computer UN-savy! grin


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