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Senate Bills to Watch #1285197
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Had trouble linking them but you guys need to watching SB 123 and SB 116. Decide which way you lean and voice your opinion.

123 is on permitted feeders

116 is on increased trespass fees

I am sure someone can link them.

Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285205
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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285209
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ok so i can buy a $50 permit and hunt "a" feeder. for $200 i can hunt "4" feeders .

but nothing else changed about feeding .


under 116 , how will the determine restitution

them be some mighty stiff fines . class c felon to boot .

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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: Frankie] #1285296
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First offense a felony seams alittle harsh too me. lots of youth and young adults make mistakes of tresspassing and killing a deer. Do we really want them to be convected felons?? I agree with the fine BUT a felony + first offense seams a bit much!

Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285303
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So SB 123 would apply to all game, not just deer or hogs? If you don't buy a permit, could you still just "feed" by pouring out on the ground and being a 100 yds away and out of sight?


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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285307
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I agree the felony charge seems a little much for a first offense, but I'm good with the fines.

The permitted feeder thing is stupid. Make baiting either legal or illegal.


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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: Bigbamaboy] #1285323
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Originally Posted By: Bigbamaboy
I agree the felony charge seems a little much for a first offense, but I'm good with the fines.

The permitted feeder thing is stupid. Make baiting either legal or illegal.


My thoughts as well.

Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285354
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50 bucks for a feeder? WTF??? Just goes to show that with Government, it's all about the money.

Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285359
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116 is horseshit, felony charge for killing a deer?? Hail no.

feeder bill is even worse, plain greed in action


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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: Frankie] #1285364
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Originally Posted By: Frankie
ok so i can buy a $50 permit and hunt "a" feeder. for $200 i can hunt "4" feeders .

but nothing else changed about feeding .


under 116 , how will the determine restitution

them be some mighty stiff fines . class c felon to boot .
Where does it say you can hunt over the feeder? I missed that somehow....

And yes a felony for a first time offence is too harsh. I had a new member years GO take his son to a shooting house that was not ours (without knowing that) and he killed a spike out of it! He was caught and warned. He later attended West Point. He could have never gotten in West Point if he had been convicted of a felony for that. Ridiculous!!

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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: BhamFred] #1285370
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
116 is horseshit, felony charge for killing a deer?? Hail no.

feeder bill is even worse, plain greed in action


I agree, much as I love to bust em, first time felony is a little strong.



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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: Bowfool] #1285382
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Originally Posted By: Bowfool
Originally Posted By: Frankie
ok so i can buy a $50 permit and hunt "a" feeder. for $200 i can hunt "4" feeders .

but nothing else changed about feeding .


under 116 , how will the determine restitution

them be some mighty stiff fines . class c felon to boot .
Where does it say you can hunt over the feeder? I missed that somehow....



2 .. to supersede Sections 9-11-244 and 9-11-245 of the
3 Code of Alabama 1975, and Rule 220-2-.157 of the Alabama
4 Administrative Code, for any activity in compliance with this
5 act;

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20 Section 7. All laws or parts of laws which conflict
21 with this act are repealed. Sections 9-11-244 and 9-11-245 of
22 the Code of Alabama 1975, and Rule 220-2-.157 of the Alabama
23 Administrative Code, may not apply to any activity in
24 compliance with this act.

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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285389
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For SB 113 - Also think it is funny (odd, not ha-ha) that the restitution is paid to the State and nothing for the landowner. I guess this is because the State owns the wildlife? The civil forfeiture clause should be of some concern too.


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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285401
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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285409
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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: mirage243] #1285429
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Originally Posted By: mirage243
50 bucks for a feeder? WTF??? Just goes to show that with Government, it's all about the money.
Wanting permits for feeders is nothing new. I know I guy that's been voicing his opinion on this issue for years. He's basically been saying make "baiting" legal and issue permits for feeders.


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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285434
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Holy chit thats cra cra..I hate a damn trespasser as much as the next guy but that is just ridiculous.Hell no to both

Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: NightHunter] #1285435
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I would like to remind y'all that Tom Whatley isn't exactly the hunters best friend. He was the primary opponent of the reauthorization of Forever Wild.

Both bills are awful and hopefully they won't make it out of committee. In addition to the problem of the creation of a new felony offense, SB 116 would require the Court to place a monetary value on wildlife for the purposes of restitution. This is in contradiction to the North American model of conservation wherein wildlife has intrinsic value and is owned collectively by people and managed by the State for the peoples benefit. If we are going to start placing a monetary value on every game animal, we might as well reduce them all to livestock to be bought and sold.

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Originally Posted By: augustus_65
I would like to remind y'all that Tom Whatley isn't exactly the hunters best friend. He was the primary opponent of the reauthorization of Forever Wild.

Both bills are awful and hopefully they won't make it out of committee. In addition to the problem of the creation of a new felony offense, SB 116 would require the Court to place a monetary value on wildlife for the purposes of restitution. This is in contradiction to the North American model of conservation wherein wildlife has intrinsic value and is owned collectively by people and managed by the State for the peoples benefit. If we are going to start placing a monetary value on every game animal, we might as well reduce them all to livestock to be bought and sold.



I'm not real crazy about Forever Wild, either. As far as putting value on game animals, that ship sailed a long time ago. Allowing the fencing in of game animals started that slippery slope.


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Re: Senate Bills to Watch [Re: N2TRKYS] #1285505
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
Originally Posted By: augustus_65
I would like to remind y'all that Tom Whatley isn't exactly the hunters best friend. He was the primary opponent of the reauthorization of Forever Wild.

Both bills are awful and hopefully they won't make it out of committee. In addition to the problem of the creation of a new felony offense, SB 116 would require the Court to place a monetary value on wildlife for the purposes of restitution. This is in contradiction to the North American model of conservation wherein wildlife has intrinsic value and is owned collectively by people and managed by the State for the peoples benefit. If we are going to start placing a monetary value on every game animal, we might as well reduce them all to livestock to be bought and sold.



I'm not real crazy about Forever Wild, either. As far as putting value on game animals, that ship sailed a long time ago. Allowing the fencing in of game animals started that slippery slope.


But there has never been a legislative value placed on a game animal. This would require the Court determine the value of a deer or a turkey in order to assess restitution. That's a horrible idea. There would be no consistency across the state unless the Department of Conservation passed a regulation establishing a value, which sets an awful precedent. I'm a hunter and I would place an extremely high value on a game animal whereas another judge who doesn't hunt or understand wildlife may only make a nominal valuation. The issue about high fence animals is different because for all intents and purposes they are treated like livestock by the high fence owners regardless of whether they are viewed as such by the state. I have several friends in Lowndes County who own or operate high fences and they can place a monetary value on each animal. We don't need to extend that already flawed system to free range game.

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