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Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: Clem] #1283203
03/02/15 10:28 AM
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My rambling thoughts....

1. Judge grossly abused his discretion.

2. Can't sue a judge for anything as they have absolute judicial immunity.

3. The man should file a complaint with the Judicial Inquiry Commission:

http://judgepedia.org/Alabama_Judicial_Inquiry_Commission


http://judicial.alabama.gov/appl_canons.cfm

4. Most folks don't know what an "arrest" is. An "arrest" for purposes of the 4th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution takes place any time an officer of the law restrains someone's freedom of movement and makes clear that they do not have the right to leave. It does not have to be custodial in cuffs taken in the cop car downtown. The OP was obviously not free to go. He was in cuffs and put with the convicts. He was clearly arrested.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/arrest

The OP was arrested.
And detained.
Ostensibly for contempt of court.
Any way you cut it, an extreme thing and reflects bad judgment on the judge.


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Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: jmack66] #1283204
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The Bible says that man looks at the outside but God looks at the heart. I figure if an untucked shirt is good enough to meet the Lord in then it's good enough to go to court in. If the judge wants people to respect his courtroom maybe he needs to respect the people in it. That's BS about trying to impress upon the type of people that comes through there. The law says they are innocent until proven guilty. If he has a preconceived notion about them then it sounds like he isn't fit to serve due to his biased beliefs.


If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.-Mark Twain
Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: WhiteCityHunter] #1283221
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Originally Posted By: WhiteCityHunter
Originally Posted By: Skullworks
Lot of pompous asshat judges out there. At least the ones in Autauga County are.


A lot of judges are guys and gals that couldn't hack it as attorneys. Fact

Just the opposite in many counties, most attorneys would love to have a judgeship - nice salary, health ins. and retirement( especially those with supernumerary retirement programs).

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: jmack66] #1283229
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Should have read the sign about the rules of the courtroom and tucked in your shirt.

However, it does suck that you were cuffed & Detained.


"It's not how hard you can hit, it's how hard you can get hit and keep going" Rocky Balboa
Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: Tracker] #1283254
03/02/15 11:27 AM
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Calling not having a shirt tucked in *direct* contempt of court is questionable at best.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_court

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/contempt_of_court_direct

The judge having the man placed in cuffs, detained (arrested) and having to sit with convicts for 6 hours is totally not the correct procedure for initiating a direct contempt of court proceeding. Due process rights must be observed.

The judge is a maniac and the OP should file that complaint with the Judicial Inquiry Commission.


"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: jmack66] #1283264
03/02/15 11:43 AM
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If I had stage 4 melanoma, I would go kick the @#%$ers ass.




Originally Posted By: jmack66
I have Stage 4 Melanoma Cancer that has progressed to my back, groin, and chest. I am blssed to still be alive. I been through alot of stuff in my life. One thing I dont do is lie. He took this to far and I will not stop putting this anywhere and everywhere I can, so people can see what a fine upstanding judge we have here in Baldwin County.

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: burbank] #1283278
03/02/15 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: burbank
If I had stage 4 melanoma, I would go kick the @#%$ers ass.




Originally Posted By: jmack66
I have Stage 4 Melanoma Cancer that has progressed to my back, groin, and chest. I am blssed to still be alive. I been through alot of stuff in my life. One thing I dont do is lie. He took this to far and I will not stop putting this anywhere and everywhere I can, so people can see what a fine upstanding judge we have here in Baldwin County.
Dude, can't stand you over in the sports forum...but, you're alright over here! beers


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Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: burbank] #1283301
03/02/15 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: burbank
If I had stage 4 melanoma, I would go kick the @#%$ers ass.




Originally Posted By: jmack66
I have Stage 4 Melanoma Cancer that has progressed to my back, groin, and chest. I am blssed to still be alive. I been through alot of stuff in my life. One thing I dont do is lie. He took this to far and I will not stop putting this anywhere and everywhere I can, so people can see what a fine upstanding judge we have here in Baldwin County.


Seems like great advice to me

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: jmack66] #1283411
03/02/15 02:10 PM
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As witnessed by some comments in this thread you can see how the judge thinks he has unquestionable power. smile


"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
Jimmy G.
Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: burbank] #1283534
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Originally Posted By: burbank
If I had stage 4 melanoma, I would go kick the @#%$ers ass.




Originally Posted By: jmack66
I have Stage 4 Melanoma Cancer that has progressed to my back, groin, and chest. I am blssed to still be alive. I been through alot of stuff in my life. One thing I dont do is lie. He took this to far and I will not stop putting this anywhere and everywhere I can, so people can see what a fine upstanding judge we have here in Baldwin County.


This.

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: Tracker] #1283546
03/02/15 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: Tracker
Should have read the sign about the rules of the courtroom and tucked in your shirt.



Was the sign visible when he walked in? Was it on the front of the door and the doors propped open? Or possibly a crowd of people standing in front of it obscuring it from view?
A simple warning to bring it to someones attention to correct would have been the proper thing to do. Then escalate if they didnt comply.


Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: jmack66] #1283560
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I bet the judge wouldn't do anything to a rapper with his pants around his knees and his hat turned sideways. MAIN PROBLEM with our judicial system besides the idiotic sentences for drugs, is THIS: Judges are appointed, they should be elected!!! They're partially paid by MY TAX DOLLARS, so I should have a say in who is and isn't a judge!!!

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: jmack66] #1283565
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I thought judges were elected.


"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
Jimmy G.
Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: WhiteCityHunter] #1283584
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Originally Posted By: WhiteCityHunter
Originally Posted By: toothdoc
Originally Posted By: gatorbait154
There is a particular judge in baldwin county that says you have to have your shirt tucked in or he will put you in jail for contempt of court. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's his court room and he does what he wants.
Actually it's the taxpayers courtroom. He just works there.


Exactly, him and Obama must have private conversations cuz both are very confused about their position and responsibility to the people.


Didn't you support the gheys? Along with pab?

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: MorningAir] #1283586
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Originally Posted By: MorningAir
I bet the judge wouldn't do anything to a rapper with his pants around his knees and his hat turned sideways. MAIN PROBLEM with our judicial system besides the idiotic sentences for drugs, is THIS: Judges are appointed, they should be elected!!! They're partially paid by MY TAX DOLLARS, so I should have a say in who is and isn't a judge!!!


HELL NO! Elected judges play favorites to their campaign donors and the demographics that supported them, laws be damned.


Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: ] #1283631
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Originally Posted By: RobertD
Originally Posted By: jmack66
His name is Judge Wilters and this is the true story. Did not leave anything out cause Im not that way. Did not say anything to him or to ayone else as I was stting by myself. Yes, he is on power trip and anyone that has ever sit in his court will tell you the same. Just your everyday A-Hole......


I knew this was Judge Wilters after the first post. I watched him place a girl in cuffs like that once. Her crime? She was late. Probably 3-5 minutes after court had started.

He starts all his courts with a speech. 30 seconds or so later, someone wanders in. He gives them a thunderous look as they find their seat, the a minute later another one does it. He flips out and calls them on it and chastised them pretty hard. THEN a minute or two later Unlucky Lucy made her entrance.

Same as you, she was forced to sit through court with the prisoners in the jury box, though I don't remember if she was cuffed. She wasn't due in court or even a witness. She was simply there (as you were, and I was on the day of this story), in support of someone else.

Fwiw and I am NOT defending him, he deals MOSTLY with drug court and for the most part is trying to influence the behavior of many people who will NEVER do better. I am sure that can be frustrating. What he did was over the line but was likely intended more for his regulars than an innocent visitor like you.

I have seen one funny incident in his court but this isn't the thread to relate that one. Good luck with whatever you decide to do, just understand the deck is stacked against you in any sort of hope for a reprisal. I would contact the Lagniappe newspaper in Mobile. They don't seem scared of local politicians like the Mobile Press is.


Good post and advice Robert. If the OP wanted to do more, this would be the advice to take.

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: Skullworks] #1284892
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Originally Posted By: Skullworks
As witnessed by some comments in this thread you can see how the judge thinks he has unquestionable power. smile


They are beyond reproach. You can walk into a courthouse and just feel the power! Thousands of votes surely can't be wrong?

The SA ain't gonna do squat but if enough cain is raised to the comissioners, the judge can be "transfered" to another judgeship. Done it.

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: TR62] #1284900
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Originally Posted By: TR62

Originally Posted By: WhiteCityHunter
Originally Posted By: toothdoc
Originally Posted By: gatorbait154
There is a particular judge in baldwin county that says you have to have your shirt tucked in or he will put you in jail for contempt of court. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's his court room and he does what he wants.
Actually it's the taxpayers courtroom. He just works there.


Exactly, him and Obama must have private conversations cuz both are very confused about their position and responsibility to the people.


Didn't you support the gheys? Along with pab?


You would be correct... He also said he'd never be back...boy...aren't we the lucky ones he came back.... rolleyes


Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...

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Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: Tru-Talker] #1284921
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Originally Posted By: Tru-Talker
Originally Posted By: TR62

Originally Posted By: WhiteCityHunter
Originally Posted By: toothdoc
Originally Posted By: gatorbait154
There is a particular judge in baldwin county that says you have to have your shirt tucked in or he will put you in jail for contempt of court. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's his court room and he does what he wants.
Actually it's the taxpayers courtroom. He just works there.


Exactly, him and Obama must have private conversations cuz both are very confused about their position and responsibility to the people.


Didn't you support the gheys? Along with pab?


You would be correct... He also said he'd never be back...boy...aren't we the lucky ones he came back.... rolleyes


No kidding

Re: Lost Respect for our court... [Re: jmack66] #1288108
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I'd lawyer up and media up and do what I needed to do to make sure he at least thinks twice about lashing out at the public a second time.

I've only been to court twice. Once I was subpoena'd because I patient I treated was wrongly suing a business. Her attorney was stupid enough to ask me if I was hostile to his client. I responded I was hostile to ambulance chasing lawyers and was promptly dismissed with the judge smiling ear to ear.

The other was a ticket for wreckless driving. I was the only person who showed up in court with a shirt and tie. He saw me, bumped me straight to the front and loudly thanked me for showing him the respect of dressing up for court. Long story short I had to pay court costs and walked away quickly and relatively unscathed.

I can't imaging being there as an observer and being lashed out at for my clothing. I can't imaging the officers not reporting him to proper authorities and witnessing his behavior. The cancer is irrelevant in my mind.

Might think about a large group protest in from of his home or courthouse with signs saying Judge xxx abuses cancer patient. It would at least get some media attention.


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