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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1057256
08/27/14 08:58 AM
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Just had about 40 acres of mixed pines and hardwoods clearcut.
Plan is to spray chemicals next year, then burn and handplant pines. Not sure at this point whether loblolly or longleafs.
Question - is mechanical site prep such as rootraking, windrowing, etc. a worthwhile economic investment.

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1057303
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Probably not. It is expensive shearing and piling and you will still have a lot of sprouting that you need to kill with herbicides. Erosion is also a concern with winrowing. I would herbicide, burn and hand plant. If you are after timber 3rd generation loblolly would be my only choice. Where are you located?

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1057412
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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1057416
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If the understory was clean, you could plant his winter and do a release this Spring or late Summer. I would, also, recommend loblolly over longleaf.


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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1057514
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It's worth it to wait, let the cut hardwoods sprout and then burn and plant next winter.

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1057807
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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1058126
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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: timbercruiser] #1058414
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Can any of you timber guru's give me a rough idea of the financial difference in planting the 2/3rd Gen Loblolly as opposed to Long Leaf.I have 25 acres clear cut late last summer and and am still undecided. I am really more interested in providing the best deer/turkey habitat I can but at some point the future returns need to get figured in. Heck, I am 57 so all I got is a first and maybe second thinning anyway.

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: BradB] #1233041
01/19/15 04:57 PM
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Cost difference in planting 2nd gen or 3rd gen loblolly is pretty small so I would go with 3rd gen hands down. Loblolly vs Longleaf all depends on your soil type. Most soils, loblolly is going to grow faster. Good deep sandy soils can sometimes grow longleaf close to the rate of loblolly, but it is rare that you have longleaf that can keep up.


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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1254847
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Need to know what are the best practices for improving wild turkey habitat on my land. It isn't much to work with, only 68acres. We usually have a one or two gobblers there during spring, and several hens that look to nest on it.

During summer July/August, all we get trail cam pics of are single hens, that have usually grouped up to 8-10 birds that I guess had nest or brood failures in the area.

We have owned this property for 8 years, and have never seen a poult on it. I I have found one nest, but on accident. I do not go through looking for them on purpose, because i know they are there.

It is along the Southern Tennessee border in Giles county, which is the area that has seemed to experience a real population decline the past decade.

We used to have brood cows on it, fed them grain, and of course it helped to see turkeys, but did not help like we wanted it to, plus nesting was still a failure. Two years ago, we hooked up with NRCS, and got some trees planted. Looks like all of them have died, and I really do not want to go through that again. I was optimistic that tree planting in red/white oak, pecan, sawtooth, overcup, and shortleaf pine would increase our nesting habitat once they got tall enough to provide arial cover, and with the grasses that grow up in between and under them.

We plant all the foodplots we can, with red, white, and crimson clovers, along with wheat, rye, oats anfld other stuff to help cover the soil during winter. Clovers normally do good every spring, attracting hens and gobblers.

We have been "strip discing" the edge off foodplots and roads, which it looks to be very beneficial for the turkeys to dust and to forage for grubs and insects.

To wrap up, what do yall think my best bet would be to get better nesting success?

I kill all predators and armidillos whenever possible by the way, and trapping just isn't a feasible option for me now, for I do not have enough time.

Thanks for yall's input.

Also, it is about 40 acres of woods and 25 some odd acres of pasture, or what used to be where we seedlings.
About 1/4 of the woods is a cedar thicket with red and chinkapin oak mixed in. Another 1/4 or so of the woods is pure garbage hackberry, my worst favorite tree on the planet, while the remaining is pretty mature hardwoods with mainly hickory and red maple, but a few red, white, and chinkapin oak, and a few other common hardwood trees like popular and walnut.

Thanks again.

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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1254851
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I have read, researched, and tried several things. All I want to do is help out the wild turkeys up here.

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: btbab10] #1254886
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Originally Posted By: btbab10
I have read, researched, and tried several things. All I want to do is help out the wild turkeys up here.


Go up to the turkey forum and you will get some good responses. Poorcountrypreacher seems to make a life work of dealing with turkeys and has some good ideas.

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1254898
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Are you still using your pastures or can you let them go fallow?


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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: N2TRKYS] #1254923
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
Are you still using your pastures or can you let them go fallow?


Now it's tall sage grass mainly, with the dead two year old seedlings. We have a small pasture about an acre in size that we planted sastooth seedlings in. The are the only seedlings that are still alive.

We thought about going back to cows. We have to make some type of revenue off of it, whether it's like 8 brood cows, or timber for my kids and grandkids. Thought timber would be the best, but, the seedlings didnt survive.

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: centralala] #1254924
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Originally Posted By: btbab10
I have read, researched, and tried several things. All I want to do is help out the wild turkeys up here.


Go up to the turkey forum and you will get some good responses. Poorcountrypreacher seems to make a life work of dealing with turkeys and has some good ideas.


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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1254944
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Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1335369
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Can anyone recommend someone to cruise timber in N. Alabama ?

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: btbab10] #1348579
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with a massive home range, I would suggest roosting and nesting cover.

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Originally Posted By: btbab10
Need to know what are the best practices for improving wild turkey habitat on my land. It isn't much to work with, only 68acres. We usually have a one or two gobblers there during spring, and several hens that look to nest on it.

During summer July/August, all we get trail cam pics of are single hens, that have usually grouped up to 8-10 birds that I guess had nest or brood failures in the area.

We have owned this property for 8 years, and have never seen a poult on it. I I have found one nest, but on accident. I do not go through looking for them on purpose, because i know they are there.

It is along the Southern Tennessee border in Giles county, which is the area that has seemed to experience a real population decline the past decade.

We used to have brood cows on it, fed them grain, and of course it helped to see turkeys, but did not help like we wanted it to, plus nesting was still a failure. Two years ago, we hooked up with NRCS, and got some trees planted. Looks like all of them have died, and I really do not want to go through that again. I was optimistic that tree planting in red/white oak, pecan, sawtooth, overcup, and shortleaf pine would increase our nesting habitat once they got tall enough to provide arial cover, and with the grasses that grow up in between and under them.

We plant all the foodplots we can, with red, white, and crimson clovers, along with wheat, rye, oats anfld other stuff to help cover the soil during winter. Clovers normally do good every spring, attracting hens and gobblers.

We have been "strip discing" the edge off foodplots and roads, which it looks to be very beneficial for the turkeys to dust and to forage for grubs and insects.

To wrap up, what do yall think my best bet would be to get better nesting success?

I kill all predators and armidillos whenever possible by the way, and trapping just isn't a feasible option for me now, for I do not have enough time.

Thanks for yall's input.

Also, it is about 40 acres of woods and 25 some odd acres of pasture, or what used to be where we seedlings.
About 1/4 of the woods is a cedar thicket with red and chinkapin oak mixed in. Another 1/4 or so of the woods is pure garbage hackberry, my worst favorite tree on the planet, while the remaining is pretty mature hardwoods with mainly hickory and red maple, but a few red, white, and chinkapin oak, and a few other common hardwood trees like popular and walnut.

Thanks again.
chufa

Re: Wildlife and Forestry management questions answered here. [Re: NightHunter] #1349347
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I have longleaf, slash and loblolly that are now 4 years old. I have lost some each year that begin turning brown in the early spring and die. Last year I had local State Forester come out and they couldnt really make a determination why the trees where randomly dieing. This year I had a representative from the Longleaf Alliance looking at a site for future longleaf planting and I had him look at the trees that where dying this year. He quickly decided it was annosus root rot. The location that the trees are dying is in old cutover sites. The root rot spreads from old stumps. In old fields right next to the dying trees I have not lost any. He emailed me some articles about it and they suggest cutting down the dead trees and putting borax on each of the cut stumps. I have done that and hope to stop the spread of the root rot. I also burned the dead trees because it spreads from spores in the air. You can look right at the ground level of the dying trees and if it is root rot you will have a canker or white looking fungus growing around the base of the tree. It might not be present on all the trees but on mine it was on most. I probably cut out 100-150 trees over a 10 acre area. Unfortunately it is found in sandy well drained soils and that is what I have in this location. Google annosus root rot and you can find pictures and more information. Also if any of you are planting longleaf or have longleaf I highly recommend contacting the longleaf alliance folks. They have been very helpful to me and will assist you with any questions you have.

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