Ammo
by Cody Fowler. 04/15/24 09:52 PM
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Re: is it true?
[Re: WhiteCityHunter]
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02/02/15 06:59 AM
02/02/15 06:59 AM
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Down here in NW Florida we have had 6 doe days as long as I can remember, 8 if you hunt muzzleloader. The only thing they have changed is moving the doe days from a week straight, Dec 26-Jan 1, to consecutive weekends. Sat and Sun, first 4 weeks of the season. We haven't experienced the decrease in the heRd like parts of Alabama and Georgia. Florida went to Deer Management Units this year based on data from conception dates, and no doe days after Dec 13 or so. Smart and logical management! Like ive posted on here before I won't hunt my Bama property for two to three years cuz the population went downhill in a hurry when the season long doe season started. Its realky common sense. Kill all your mommas and no babies. Add in increased fawn predation by coyotes and you have a problem. Along with the idiotic feeding law in Bama I'd have to be questioning those in charge of deer management there. Somebody up there is just flat stupid. That's the same experience of my family members that hunt NW FL. For years they came up and hunted with me because they had very few deer on their FL place. Now their hunting is far better than mine, in both quantity and quality. Its sort of ironic that everyone wanted to copy TN or MS in the way they managed deer when the buck limit was being debated. Most folks ignored FL and considered them backward in their approach. Most probably still do, except for the people that hunt there. And their system is very much like the one we had in AL during the Charles Kelley years - limited doe harvest and a very liberal buck harvest. The biggest difference is that FL allowed and still allows 2 bucks a day. And also the fact that in FL you don't have to carry a pen and do paperwork when you shoot a deer.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: globe]
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02/02/15 07:03 AM
02/02/15 07:03 AM
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Hartselle, Al
Deerslyer86
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Alright, how about we go back to the old days then, when alabama was trying to INCREASE the population. A buck a day and 2-3 doe days a year when the population was DOWN is what it was. I'm SURE everybody would love to go backwards in the deer management area.
that would be best except it wouldn't be a buck a day.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: globe]
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02/02/15 07:04 AM
02/02/15 07:04 AM
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Tuscaloosa
hawndog
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Alright, how about we go back to the old days then, when alabama was trying to INCREASE the population. A buck a day and 2-3 doe days a year when the population was DOWN is what it was. I'm SURE everybody would love to go backwards in the deer management area.
Yes! That is exactly what many of us want, Why you might ask? It worked. Not only was there more deer, I also saw and killed more and bigger bucks. There is no need for a buck limit if you leave the does alone. If you need meat, shoot a spike or knot head, that doe you left there will make another one next year.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/02/15 07:07 AM
02/02/15 07:07 AM
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Prattville AL
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Some places need the current format and others might not. There is no limit/season that will be right for everyone.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/02/15 07:14 AM
02/02/15 07:14 AM
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Central Alabama
Yelp softly
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The "we don't see as many" argument is a very poor one. The amount of deer seen is not a reliable indicator of population. Data is the best indicator. How do the deer you harvest compare in body weight to other deer in their age class? If you're killing deer that are under the average weight, there are more than the habitat can support. If your deer weights are at or above the average for body weight in their age class, you are doing good.
Until you come to the table with some reliable data, it's hard to make an argument for what has happened to your deer herd. Maybe your numbers are down and maybe the weights are increasing and the habitat is rebounding. Would you be willing to accept a lower population in the short term if it meant that the habitat could rebound and support better numbers years from now? Deer management shouldn't be based on what a person sees or didn't see. It should be based on hard data for your area.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Re: is it true?
[Re: charlie]
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02/02/15 07:15 AM
02/02/15 07:15 AM
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hunterbuck
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Why don't you ask the dcnr to give you some actual deer population numbers before you start regulating what everyone can do. You know why you don't see deer? Because you sit on a greenfield and does don't come to it like they used to because they get shot at now. I know no one here will admit to it but I have hunted at dozens of clubs and they are all the same. 95% of people sit in a house on a greenfield every day. The same fields that get hunted day after day year after year. The biologists here will tell you the deer herd is not in any danger but you don't believe them because when you ride your 4 wheeler up to your shooting house on your big greenfield every weekend you don't see 20 does out feeding in it. I know no one here hunts like that because you are all master woodsmen but most of the state does. Does were used to feeding in fields without fear and now they are not. Simple. You don't think they learn. Watch deer in a park where they aren't shot at, they will often eat out of your hand. Start shooting at them for a while and they become nocturnal and less prone to standing in a field in daylight. Tend to agree with this. One of the biggest proponents here of limiting everyone else's ability to manage their own land claims he doesn't do this, but I've noticed that almost every time he posts a picture in the LFFT threads, a green field is in the picture...morning and evening.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: is it true?
[Re: outdoors1]
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02/02/15 07:15 AM
02/02/15 07:15 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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MATURE hardwoods are only good for acorns no acorns no food. Fixed it for ya. Logging crew and fire works in hardwoods too.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Clem]
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02/02/15 07:38 AM
02/02/15 07:38 AM
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Montgomery
WmHunter
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If y'all want more government control and restriction of what you can do on your land, just keep pushing for a yearly limit on does to go along with the one on bucks. Before long some of y'all will be wanting 3 does and 1 buck and all the "because no one NEEDS more than ..." bullcrap.
It's amazing how many folks want government to leave them alone until it come s to deer hunting and then they don't mind the restrictions, and actually ask for them.
+1 But would say that I don't have a problem of adjustments on doe harvests in areas where the deer population has been wiped out.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: is it true?
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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02/02/15 09:25 AM
02/02/15 09:25 AM
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I know one thing, the voice is getting pretty loud from the "people" that we aren't seeing deer and something has to change. And for the couple of guys that are crying about needing to kill more does, you don't have my sympathy. Why do you HAVE to kill them? Do you have browse line in your woods? Does seeing 10 does every time you hunt make you angry? Kill the does if you want/need to but don't tell the other 75% of the state where the deer population is declining that something doesn't need to be done. Now that is selfish. The 25% of the people can't help that the other 75% can't manage their property. All I got to say to this comment is what a pile of CRAP.... What part is crap? Are you above carrying capacity for your property or below? Below....so your point
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/02/15 10:25 AM
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coffee county
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everbody crying about gov regs is usually the first one to call the law when someone shoots "their" big buck of the side of the road. If you got a good deer population, good for you. But remember this. When hunters spend thousands of dollars every year, and hours and hours of work. With no results. We coming to your over populated roads and woods. Im kinda looking forward to it too. No more sitting in the cold stand. Just riding around in the warm truck, comfortable, listening to merle on the radio.
Now when i turn into a road side assassin dont go involving the goverment.
For without victory, there is no survival
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/02/15 11:31 AM
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Past Ol’ man Finley’s plac...
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The argument that those of us that are calling for limited and restricted doe harvest are liberals and want big government is ridiculous. Some government is a good thing. I am glad my tax money keeps the roads paved, I'm glad it pays for teachers salaries and public schools, I'm glad it outfits our military and pays our service men and women. I also support my tax dollars going to pay qualified wildlife biologist to collect data and set seasons and bag limits based on their findings.
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Job 33:4
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/02/15 11:32 AM
02/02/15 11:32 AM
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North Alabama
Wiley Coyote
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Last year there was an article in our local paper about our deer herd in Marshall County. It was sort of an interview with the DCNR biologist for this area. According to that article the deer herd in Marshall County has been killed DOWN to the herd size from the 1980s. The liberal doe limits were given as the reason. Every hunter that I know that hunts this county agrees with this assessment.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: bigt]
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02/02/15 11:53 AM
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I know one thing, the voice is getting pretty loud from the "people" that we aren't seeing deer and something has to change. And for the couple of guys that are crying about needing to kill more does, you don't have my sympathy. Why do you HAVE to kill them? Do you have browse line in your woods? Does seeing 10 does every time you hunt make you angry? Kill the does if you want/need to but don't tell the other 75% of the state where the deer population is declining that something doesn't need to be done. Now that is selfish. The 25% of the people can't help that the other 75% can't manage their property. All I got to say to this comment is what a pile of CRAP.... What part is crap? Are you above carrying capacity for your property or below? Below....so your point Have it always been below carry capacity? If not, how did it get that way? Did y'all have a die off?
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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02/02/15 12:16 PM
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Gulfcrest
bigt
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I know one thing, the voice is getting pretty loud from the "people" that we aren't seeing deer and something has to change. And for the couple of guys that are crying about needing to kill more does, you don't have my sympathy. Why do you HAVE to kill them? Do you have browse line in your woods? Does seeing 10 does every time you hunt make you angry? Kill the does if you want/need to but don't tell the other 75% of the state where the deer population is declining that something doesn't need to be done. Now that is selfish. The 25% of the people can't help that the other 75% can't manage their property. All I got to say to this comment is what a pile of CRAP.... What part is crap? Are you above carrying capacity for your property or below? Below....so your point Have it always been below carry capacity? If not, how did it get that way? Did y'all have a die off? No it has not. It used to have great density.Let's see how did it get that way....liberal doe limits set by the state, two good clubs next to me not being able to keep their lease due to just about every tree being cut which caused the land to have frequent turnover which encouraged No management and a lot of brown it's down hunting, what I believe was bad advice from a biologist to us that we followed for a few years and a high predator population including the largest bear population in the state.....I probably missed something but that pretty much covers it.
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