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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 03:03 AM
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I think a combination of number 2 and that some people won't "mess with a doe" if it isn't convenient for them to look for it.
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 03:11 AM
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Maybe most bucks shot very late, low light condition as opposed to does being shot earlier?
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 03:32 AM
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There are a lot of threads on here with people not finding there deer at all,or the nexy day. 2 observations. First, its pretty obvious to me, that there's a lot of people who are not very good at blood trailing a deer. If your not down on your hands and knees looking for blood, well enough said. Second, there seems to be a lot of people who like to blame the ammo that their using for not finding a deer. Most people pick up their rifle the day before the season and never shoot it prior to going hunting. Some people, are just not good hunters. They don't shoot well, they can't seem to ever see any deer. Most of the time, its those guys that when hunting season is over, their gone. You wont see them again until opening day the following year. Killers, know their rifle like the back of their hand, and are not constantly changing guns and ammo. They're always out in the woods doing habitat work, or moving stands, or cutting shooting lanes. Feb., is a great time to scout. Stink the woods up then, not during the season.
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 03:40 AM
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TR
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I would also suggest that not many newbies post about a doe they didn't find but will more than likely post about a "good buck" they shot and couldn't find.
I agree strongly with many taking shots at a buck they wouldn't take with a doe. Nothing wrong with that, just keep looking til you find it. Don't go 25 yards and assume a miss because you found nothing. One of the most important things is to sit tight and mark your spot well before climbing down or going looking for it. I have spent a few hours trying to find one an inexperienced hunter shot looking 20-40 yArds from where it was actually standing when they shot.
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 03:51 AM
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blumsden
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I would also suggest that not many newbies post about a doe they didn't find but will more than likely post about a "good buck" they shot and couldn't find.
I agree strongly with many taking shots at a buck they wouldn't take with a doe. Nothing wrong with that, just keep looking til you find it. Don't go 25 yards and assume a miss because you found nothing. One of the most important things is to sit tight and mark your spot well before climbing down or going looking for it. I have spent a few hours trying to find one an inexperienced hunter shot looking 20-40 yArds from where it was actually standing when they shot. TR, your spot on. Most people dont mark the spot where the deer was standing, and then when they can't find any blood, they give up.
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 04:08 AM
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Bad shot placement. I've read it on here 100 times (CANT BELIEVE HE RAN, I HIT HIM RIGHT BEHIND THE SHOULDER) Behind the shoulder is great with a bow but a bullet needs to hit bone.
Striper Steve; "Aim Small, Hit Small"
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 04:15 AM
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Not pointing fingers at anyone, just an observation:
It seems like there are many more Bucks that run off and get found the next day. There seem to be many less Does that do this? Why?
1) Buck Fever = bad shots 2) People take riskier/longer shots on Bucks, and will wait for a Doe to get closer? 3) Bucks just tougher and harder to kill
Maybe my observation is completely off base, but it seems this way from reading the posts on aldeer over the years.
Well put!
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 04:17 AM
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Bad shot placement. I've read it on here 100 times (CANT BELIEVE HE RAN, I HIT HIM RIGHT BEHIND THE SHOULDER) Behind the shoulder is great with a bow but a bullet needs to hit bone. Did not always agree with this mindset but now I actually do. You need to not only hit vital organs but if you want to stop a Deer DRT you need to take out his wheels (front shoulder). Bucks are larger, more mass, more muscle. So yes they tend to have a greater will and physical strength to live and get away from you. Also, as other have said. Few people make long, not ideal shots at does especially when they are not in an easy place to recover.
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 05:10 AM
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People lose their minds when they see antlers. They forget what they're doing and make bad decisions. A lot of people can not tell you any details about a buck encounter. It's ok to get excited, and when I stop getting excited, I'll go home, BUT you have to slow down and think about what's going on. Pick a shot, make it count, mark your spot. If the deer drops upon impact I always get very nervous. I'd rather see him run. I generally keep my gun ready with crosshairs on his vitals for at least 10-15 minutes before climbing down. It's rare I intentionally try to bring one down by hitting the CNS, because you have the smallest margin of error as any shot you can take. A double lung is ideal. Generally creates a pass through, leaves a lot of blood, and a dead deer within 50 yards. Knowing how to expect a deer to act after impact is critical, and a lot of folks have no idea what to expect out of a fatally wounded deer. I wish I had a penny every time somebody has told me they "missed" because they're deer ran after they shot. I always ask,"How do you know you missed?" Standard response,"Because I shoot a 300 super duper Winchester magnum knock em dead in their tracks, and he should have dropped." That drives me insane!!!!!!!!!!! The only reason a deer drops ever is a direct hit to the CNS, and those shots are extremely risky. How many posts have we had already about deer dropping in their tracks, to get up moments later, run off, and never be seen again? A properly hit double lung or heart shot deer is going to run, as it should, and knowing what to do after a deer runs is a totally lost concept to hunters today.
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 05:18 AM
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Carrying a gun isn't comfortable; but at times it is comforting
"Cause the cause for the pause you think you see is really concentration on the steel” NonPoint
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 05:33 AM
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Matt Brock
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Hang on I'm not done yet.
For the record, MOST people get so caught up in shooting MOA groupings out of their deer rifle and the performance of selected projectile. Let me see if I can help you. Most hunters in AL are not prepared, or equipped to make shots much over 200 yards. Other than looking at a ballistics chart they have never shot their gun on a 200, 300, or farther range. If you haven't shot at those distances on paper, you have no business shooting that far at a live target. Since most AL hunters are shooting effectively inside of 200 yards a sub MOA gun is NOT required. If you have a gun that will shoot a 2"-2.5" group at 100 them you're ready to hunt. Shoot it well, be familiar with it, and quit swapping ammo every other deer you kill because it didn't perform like you wanted. Learn to shoot deer where you should, calm down, be an attentive student of trailing wounded deer, and give your bullet choice time to prove what it can do. Be realistic. Understand that a 100-180 grain projectile is not a grenade. Most every bullet on the market will effectively bring down a 200 lb whitetail with one shot. Learn to shoot, be confident, and learn about deer behavior, habits, and trailing techniques.
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 05:37 AM
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I always get a kick out of "DRT" guys. Like Matt said, if I have a buck drop immediately, I get very nervous and stay on the stick with it hot for at least 15 min. Never had it happen to me (due to the fact that I have a "wiggle rule": it wiggles too damn much I send it an insurance policy at around 3000 fps) but bucks being shocked down due to the bullet hitting above the shoulder blade but below the spinal cord happens....and guess what???
THEY GET UP! And don't bleed but for 100 yards and then dry up completely. And 99% of the time, the shot ain't lethal.
I helped a buddy look for a deer that did just that for 3.5 hours Sunday night. He tried a high shoulder shot, he was off a little, and y'all know the rest.
And the moral of the story is: THIS AIN'T REALITY TV. POP THEM LUNGS AND WAVE TO EM AS THEY RUN OFF.
Carrying a gun isn't comfortable; but at times it is comforting
"Cause the cause for the pause you think you see is really concentration on the steel” NonPoint
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 05:51 AM
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Another reason to not try a Outdoor Channel Hero shot is for the sheer fact that the lungs are a much larger target than the tip of the shoulder blade.
Big deer should make us as hunters excited; I sure know that they make my heart rate increase. It only makes sense to aim for the largest target possible. A target that is 100% lethal 100% of the time..if you hit it.
Matt is right in that as a whole we as hunters don't shoot enough. I know that I don't. I think it would benefit everyone to shoot more. I mean hell, what is the worst that could happen? That you go blow $20-40 bucks in a hour while you get to hear things go bang and not go postal on everyone? All while you become a better shot.
There is one member on here that I won't name that shot a rifle more leading up to this season and during the season than most hunters shoot off a a bench in 10 years. And that same individual killed everything that he clicked the safety off on all year...on some pretty lengthy shots, given that he wasn't on a bench. He also made some very difficult shots that happened fast and without a conventional shooting rest.
Why? Because he shot close to 100 rounds thought his rifle in the last 3 months. To quote him, "it is all about mechanics". In my opinion, he is correct.
Carrying a gun isn't comfortable; but at times it is comforting
"Cause the cause for the pause you think you see is really concentration on the steel” NonPoint
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 07:26 AM
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And the moral of the story is: THIS AIN'T REALITY TV. POP THEM LUNGS AND WAVE TO EM AS THEY RUN OFF.
This. I said in another post, I can't understand why ppl want to shoot does in the lungs (bc its a guaranteed dead deer) but then want to shoot a buck in the shoulder where his vitals are the most protected.
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
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Re: Bucks run after shot; Does = DRT
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01/29/15 07:29 AM
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People lose their minds when they see antlers. They forget what they're doing and make bad decisions. A lot of people can not tell you any details about a buck encounter. It's ok to get excited, and when I stop getting excited, I'll go home, BUT you have to slow down and think about what's going on. Pick a shot, make it count, mark your spot. If the deer drops upon impact I always get very nervous. I'd rather see him run. I generally keep my gun ready with crosshairs on his vitals for at least 10-15 minutes before climbing down. It's rare I intentionally try to bring one down by hitting the CNS, because you have the smallest margin of error as any shot you can take. A double lung is ideal. Generally creates a pass through, leaves a lot of blood, and a dead deer within 50 yards. Knowing how to expect a deer to act after impact is critical, and a lot of folks have no idea what to expect out of a fatally wounded deer. I wish I had a penny every time somebody has told me they "missed" because they're deer ran after they shot. I always ask,"How do you know you missed?" Standard response,"Because I shoot a 300 super duper Winchester magnum knock em dead in their tracks, and he should have dropped." That drives me insane!!!!!!!!!!! The only reason a deer drops ever is a direct hit to the CNS, and those shots are extremely risky. How many posts have we had already about deer dropping in their tracks, to get up moments later, run off, and never be seen again? A properly hit double lung or heart shot deer is going to run, as it should, and knowing what to do after a deer runs is a totally lost concept to hunters today. What drives me nuts is a killin' shot with no exit, deer runs 50 yards and a hunter goes nuts because he don't have a red river to fallow. If ya can't find a dead buck at about 50 yards with no blood ya need to take up golf.
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