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They're Watching...
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01/29/15 02:11 AM
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Montgomery / Luverne
crenshawco
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http://www.guns.com/2015/01/28/dea-and-atf-cooperated-to-record-gun-show-attendee-license-plates/DEA and ATF cooperated to record gun show attendee license plates
1/28/15 | by Chris Eger 95 2705
According to emails obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union, federal authorities planned to monitor gun show parking lots with automatic license plate readers.
The insight comes from a damning report released by the ACLU this week on a secretive program by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration to build a massive database of license plates images collected by automated license plate reader devices. As part of this investigation, emails released through the Freedom of Information Act detailed a planned cooperation between the DEA’s National License Plate Recognition initiative and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to scan and record the plates and vehicle images of gun show attendees.
“DEA Phoenix Division Office is working closely with ATF on attacking the guns going to [redacted] and the gun shows, to include programs/operation with LPRs at the gun shows,” reads an April 2009 email.
The time and place mentioned in the email coincides with known information on the Justice Department’s Fast and Furious operation, a controversial “gunwalking” scandal that possibly transferred as many as 2,000 guns to drug traffickers in Mexico. That program was run out of the Phoenix ATF Field Division office, just two miles from the DEA office.
However, DOJ officials were quick to issue denials this week following the release of the story, advising that the ATF did not in fact engage in tracking gun show attendees.
“The proposal in the email was only a suggestion. It was never authorized by DEA, and the idea under discussion in the email was never launched,’’ according to DEA administrator Michele Leonhart, the Wall Street Journal reported.
While there may not have been any gun show surveillance, federal agencies have nonetheless built an immense database.
An undated DEA slideshow released to the ACLU mentions that, at the time, 100 plate readers were deployed in eight states to include California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada, Florida, Georgia and New Jersey. These readers were a mixed of fixed, portable and mobile devices that could scan and record as many as ten images per vehicle.
The extensively redacted presentation states that the then-current database held some “343+ million” images and that cleared law enforcement personnel from other federal, state, local and tribal agencies could access the archives.
This information alone brought concern from the ACLU.
“Automatic license plate readers must not be used to collect information on lawful activity — whether it be peacefully assembling for lawful purposes, or driving on the nation’s highways,” the group stated in its report. “Without strong regulations and greater transparency, this new technology will only increase the threat of illegitimate government surveillance.”
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Re: They're Watching...
[Re: crenshawco]
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01/29/15 02:49 AM
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North Alabama
Wiley Coyote
Freak of Nature
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Yet another reason I don't go to Organized Extortion Events
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: They're Watching...
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01/29/15 02:58 AM
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Can't believe I agree with ACLU on something. If this is the type of stuff that's getting out, imagine the stuff they've done that's not making it's way in to the public light.
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: They're Watching...
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01/29/15 04:56 AM
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Cherokee Co. Al.
bgarrett
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Yet another reason I don't go to Organized Extortion Events never heard one called that before.... My wife calls it shopping..
It's not a Passion, it's an Obsession. That's what I tell my wife, but she promptly informs it's a disease to which is incurable.
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Re: They're Watching...
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01/29/15 05:14 AM
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Shelby County
Abram
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"While there may not have been any gun show surveillance, federal agencies have nonetheless built an immense database."
Note the keyword "may", there is no may to it, the feds have created a massive database and are spying on law abiding citizens. Between the NSA spying and the use of the Sting ray you can bet this was implemented and "may" still be in use now, typical government propaganda, deny everything.
But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?
Mark Twain
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Re: They're Watching...
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01/29/15 05:15 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Round ‘bout there
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The ACLU sticks up for more stuff than we realize. They're not always 100% on the left. The surveillance of U.S. citizens by the government -- all the way down to small local agencies and enforcement -- has grown tremendously under the current administration and began with the previous one. They couch it as national security yet Big Brother is watching and listening often, quite likely in violation of rights and liberties. DEA licence plate surveillance for a database - http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spies-on-millions-of-cars-1422314779Stingray cell phone surveillance - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/08/cellphone-data-spying-nsa-police/3902809/Federal grants being used for surveillance - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/techno...nted=1&_r=3Not to mention all the lists and databases: licenses, web searches and site visits, home purchases, bank records, retail purchases, firearms background checks and so on. All that stuff is stored and/or recorded in some way, somewhere.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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01/29/15 05:22 AM
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They already know more about me that I do. I recently registered for an online account with the Social Security Administration. In order to get the account you have to answer questions about things in your past to prove you are really you. I failed the first time through and had to wait 24 hours before I could try again. I lucked out the second time and guessed right on about 1 or 2 of the questions!
"Don't let a dead deer kill ya"
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Re: They're Watching...
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01/29/15 08:18 AM
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Shelby County
Abram
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google "Utah Data Center"
Last edited by Abram; 01/29/15 08:42 AM.
But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?
Mark Twain
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Re: They're Watching...
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01/29/15 08:44 AM
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hootn
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and folks say i am crazy for having a FITTED tin foil hat...........
scott
if i hadnt taken up hunting i might have became a juvenile delinquent or worst taken up GOLF
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