I believe several of you are correct. This is about rights.

The part I don't understand is why I am being made the villain. And why I am being accused of everything from extortion to back room deals.

Danny,

Let me help your memory. With the extortion question.

You said, "But, it is one that you are steadily losing. The business is not a sustainable one. People will NOT continue to pay year in and year out for 'hog control' that shows no promise of ending and is based on baiting and feeding hogs up on their property for extended periods of time. If they would, you and your allies would not need to pursue this huge propaganda program that is ongoing. It is extortion, lain and simple!"

I believe you planned on putting a "p" in front of lain.

On the 42 in 10 days.

They were caught in a 600+ acre high fence. The hogs were getting into the enclosure via a creek drainage or something. However, I have idea why the high fence would reflect negatively on the performance of the trapping equipment or theory. But, I am sure Danny will explain.

I will expand upon this.

1st, if you will read my post, I was referring to the business in general. And, you are in it. So, if offended, I am sorry.....but, it is simply my opinion based on my view!
So, here goes.....IF Legal Recreational Hunting Opportunities are increasingly limited and methods restricted; that only leaves the alternatives that are still allowed. The current trend is undeniably leaning towards Trapping! And, if I am reading the Regulations/Laws correctly, in order to hunt at night with dogs or shooting, the LANDOWNER has to request the permit and individually list ALL the people who will be utilizing it on their property. BUT, 'somehow' there has been an Exception made and Commercial Hunters do not have to follow this same process nor list the individuals permitted prior to the Permit issued. Basically, this alleviates the Landowner from the 'hassle' and allows the Commercial Hunter to perform the Permit Process for him with unlimited people allowed. And, at the same time, they are picking and choosing which Laws (even though they utilize the EXACT same definitions of the Animals affected) will be enforced... i.e. - no hog dogging at night, but trapping is legal.

Now, if you cannot follow that logic that shows the landowners options are being limited to primarily utilizing Commercial Services, then you simply do not want to!

And, in closing, I will wrap this up with this:

I can show you NUMEROUS posts that I have made over the past that Promote Trapping to catch hogs. I can show you posts that I have made that Promote utilizing Night Vision to kill hogs. I can show you posts that I have made that endorse YOU and your methods. Heck, Barry, I even told you about Ralph Reeves and gave you his phone number!

Now, can you show me ONE post that you have made endorsing and Promoting dog hunting for hogs?

AND, before you start anything about 'effectiveness' or 'Rod had a study done'.......here is an excerpt from the Presentation at this years Feral Pig Conference depicting the results of a 35 yr study:

"The harvested sample for each control technique varied greatly, with dogging being the most successful
method (4,398 animals or 50.0 percent of the total). The remaining techniques accounted for the following
numbers of wild pigs: bait stations – 215 (2.5 percent), opportunistic shooting – 434 (4.9 percent), corral
trapping – 1,514 (17.2 percent), and public hunts – 2,232 (25.3 percent). The mean annual harvest by
technique over the decade from 1992 to 2001 (during which all of the methods were conducted) was as
follows: dogging – 432.4 (63.1 percent), bait stations – 17.2 (2.5 percent), opportunistic shooting – 33.8
(4.9 percent), corral trapping – 123.0 (17.9 percent), and public hunts – 79.3 (11.6 percent). "

I attended the conference. Don't remember seeing this one but it dang sure could have been presented in another break out.

The data you provided shows the kill ratios I guess. Where is the rest of the data? How many hours did it take to accomplish each of these? How many traps, dog hunters, dogs, hunters, bait stations, etc.... were used?

Don't just pick out the date that supports your position, give us all of it.

Funny thing......how you were THERE and have never even mentioned these things.....

Refer to my post from above:

Quote:

Now, can you show me ONE post that you have made endorsing and Promoting dog hunting for hogs?

No Agenda? REALLY????

The best thing to do is swallow your Pride and realize that, whether it was intentional or not, you have self-promoted the business with NO regard to anyone but yourself. I do not think that you have ill-feelings towards hog-doggers....you just do not care.

We can agree to disagree and move on!

Hard for me to mention something I didn't see or hear. Referring to the study you cited. I have read other studies that show just the opposite. I am curious how they included the type of traps we use in a 35 year study when they have just been on the market for the past few years.

I have promoted dog hunting as a viable option many times, but I dang sure ain't going through 1,000s of posts to find one for you. Help yourself.

Even when you are trying to be nice you have to get a jab in.

I have promoted my business no doubt. But, I hold exception to the "No regard" comment. I would think that all the satisfied landowners would argue your comment.

You are correct that I do not have ill feelings toward hog doggers. But, I would not say I do not care. I just don't have time to promote something that I do no participate in. I am already busy enough basically working 2 full time jobs already. LOL

Carry on!

From an outsider reading these posts you guys are bickering with each other when you need to unite and work together at the cab meetings to change the rules to benefit all hog hunters.Elkhunter hogwild and bayedup you together could have a big voice at the meetings. Elkhunter think what an asset these guys could be for your bussiness. What client wouldnt enjoy hog dogging as part of their hog hunting experience. Chasing hogs with dogs by day and nightvision shooting at night. Its the total experience.

As hunters, we all need to unite to defend our rights because if they can change the laws to deny dog hog hunters from hunting at night and prohibit selling of hogs then whats to stop them from taking our right to hunt from all of us.

As for barring a boar I think it should be allowed. I also should be able to take him home feed him out and butcher him when I feel like it and not have to hope that i catch or kill him later.

Sluggun,

I agree completely that we don't need to be fighting amongst ourselves.

I also agree that hog dogging is a blast.

Not sure it would be beneficial to my business though. My insurance is very restrictive on the activities I can participate in and it is restrictive on the number of individuals I can guide at any one time. While we do have some close calls with pigs sometimes, dog hunting hogs in nothing but close calls! LOL

Well, you do work in the dark of night and you probably introduced that Eboler virus somewheres.


Like Matt and Fred, had to watch. Carry on. Wwoooooo pig, soooeeeyyy!

Hopefully the show is over! LOL

Well that was one heck of a thread just to figure out you cut a hogs nuts out to make him taste better!
But As Daniel's Aunt taught me in English class...tell them what's Important in the first paragraph and then tell them again in the last paragraph just so they get it!

Sooooooo....The purpose of barring a hog is to make him taste better! Pretty simple....

Thread should be complete now!!!