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Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1159333
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Shoot the yote. Sit still. It doesn't bother deer


Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
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Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1159431
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I was just thinking yesterday while I was checking the threads that there was a lot yote pics


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Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1159470
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2 killed at my farm in Bibb co opening day and 2 more seen

Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1159612
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For the vast majority of people, only shooting the coyotes you see while deer hunting will not have any measurable impact on long term management goals.


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Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1159691
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I believe coyotes and bobcats are more responsible for the declining deer population in many areas than hunters.



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Re: Coyotes [Re: CNC] #1159715
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Originally Posted By: CNC
For the vast majority of people, only shooting the coyotes you see while deer hunting will not have any measurable impact on long term management goals.

I agree CNC, when any animal population is in decline or under threat of attack, the natural instinct is to produce more offspring. This instinct is apparent even in humans.......for example the baby boom after WW2. However, it damn sure feels good killing as many of them bastages you can see. Predators are just part of the equation we have to deal with as hunters....just thank the Good Lord you don't have any pigs or bears......yet.


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Re: Coyotes [Re: slippinlipjr] #1159763
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Originally Posted By: slippinlipjr

I agree CNC, when any animal population is in decline or under threat of attack, the natural instinct is to produce more offspring. This instinct is apparent even in humans.......for example the baby boom after WW2. However, it damn sure feels good killing as many of them bastages you can see. Predators are just part of the equation we have to deal with as hunters....just thank the Good Lord you don't have any pigs or bears......yet.


If a guy just wants to shoot a yote one morning that one thing. I like to shoot chit as much as the next guy. But from the standpoint of realistic goals and realistic outcomes, just blasting a yote here or there is not a productive solution. However, the more and more you read these threads…..the more and more you see folks buying into the idea that its “what needs to be done”. Its really kinda of similar to how a few years ago, some folks needed to shoot a lot of does on their land. After it was preached enough then eventually everyone just thought that shooting lots of does was a part of any sound management plan…..even though that’s far from true. I think we should take a step back from our coyote hate march for a minute to look at the situation from a more realistic viewpoint….. instead of continuing to subliminally educate the hunting public with the perception that coyotes are the evil end all and we can deal with the problem by blasting our way out of it. Shooting less does is a much more realistic solution.

Many folks these days are trying to “manage’ their land for the end goal of harvesting good bucks. Less pressure and human disturbance has much more of a real impact on that goal than playing a big loud game of whack a mole with the local coyote population. Rounding off high-powered rifles on your food plots in not a good way of keeping them quiet. I’ve never found it help my deer sightings.


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Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1159839
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and i'll say again , a dead coyote is not a eating coyote . i'd rather have new coyotes moving in than ones staying for years .

i kill one now it might be after fawning season before another moves in . imo , a dead yote is a good thing .

Re: Coyotes [Re: Goose11] #1159857
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I agree that the coyotes are a huge problem and we need help at the state level. If all us hunters will band together maybe we can get something done. Anyone have suggestions as to what we can do?

Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1159876
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that's were trapping comes in to play. that want spook deer also hunting them when turkey season ends want spook the deer,if you hunt one month only. but lets say you have three farms side by side, one farm try's to control the predators and the other two don't well the guy that is trying to control the predators is fighting a lost battle because as a location goes neal then the other farms moves in . that's why to keep predators in check one should trap them, not that hard. yotes travel a long roads for ease now if you guys plant traps on the same roads you park were you walk , when you drive in to hunt if you have a yote dispatch it and reset before you leave.that simple.don't set traps in any green fields WROUNG THING TO DO AS A BOUNCING YOTE WILL SPOOK A DEER OR AT LEAST SOME,,, ALSO DON'T GUT A DEER WERE YOU SHOOT IT THAT JUST BRINGS IN MORE YOTES , gut piles are free food and animals never forget were they find it and they will always come back to check out.

the thing about the western states is they can use the best yote control tool out there and that's the snare which is illegal here due to the fact it can kill a hunting dog BUT IF ONE USED A SNARE WITH A DEER STOP IT WOULD NOT HARM A DOG OR A DEER FOR THAT MATTER. the thing is with a snare which is nothing but cable with a special lock , to a dog it is a leash and it want close all the way to catch a deer, and with deer stops it want even kill a yote unless it tangles around a bush or some thing.


suck it up,grow a bigger pair and love what GOD gave you
Re: Coyotes [Re: exciteman] #1159891
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Originally Posted By: exciteman
Anyone have suggestions as to what we can do?


Reduce the doe harvest where needed and improve the habitat when its an option.


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Re: Coyotes [Re: exciteman] #1159894
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Originally Posted By: exciteman
I agree that the coyotes are a huge problem and we need help at the state level. If all us hunters will band together maybe we can get something done. Anyone have suggestions as to what we can do?


for get the state government, they do have some state trappers I beleave but they can not cover every area as it is, the state is also to poor to pay a bounty.to control yotes it takes a trapper that knows how to trap, locate dens and on top of his game, yotes in some areas takes up to a month some times two to come back threw and that along means a few hundred bucks just in fuel, traps not cheap as well as other supplies, what is hurting you guys was the 500 buck out of state lie to trap which is now 200 and another thing is what a out of state fur buyers lies ,beleave me or not do the research on the out of state trapping and buying fees, also what is hurting you guys now is no live market for fox and yotes, from what I was told that was closed due to houndman way back. these things along is what blew the yote populations, no one from out of state trapped because of the high fee , less trapping due to no fur buyer, and with the live market some came here to trap yotes to sale in other states but now with that stopped so did a lot of the trapping and the yotes took control.

my point is this the day you get the state to fully control the yotes is the day I buy you a whole side of usa prime beef.the heck with that bet I will do one even better I will just buy the whole dam cow


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Re: Coyotes [Re: williambevelssr] #1161212
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All this coyote talk got me wandering just how easy it was to see one. Went out this morning to an old tripod for the sole purpose of coyote killing. 7:15 another one bites the dust.

Re: Coyotes [Re: CntyRd2500] #1161227
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Originally Posted By: CntyRd2500
I absolutely do not mind risking messing up a deer hunt to dispatch a coyote.


Im with you....none get a pass unless there is a trophy buck in the field with it.


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Re: Coyotes [Re: centralala] #1161280
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Originally Posted By: centralala
All this coyote talk got me wandering just how easy it was to see one. Went out this morning to an old tripod for the sole purpose of coyote killing. 7:15 another one bites the dust.


How long have you been shooting them like that?


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Re: Coyotes [Re: CNC] #1161315
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This was my first trip trying to kill one since watermelon growing season. First time sitting in this spot since I quit deer hunting about 6-7 years ago.

Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1161482
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Boom all the time every chance I get!


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Re: Coyotes [Re: doecommander] #1161605
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So in this study published in The Journal of Wildlife Management, they are intensively trapping coyotes and still coming to the conclusion that their efforts are having little real effect. If they are trapping and coming to that conclusion, then how truly insignificant does that make the one or two you shoot while deer hunting?


http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/outdoors/2014-09-13/coyote-control-might-not-help-fawn-mortality

In the new study, scientists removed 474 coyotes from three 7,900-acre parcels and monitored 163 pregnant does over a three-year period. Those female deer produced 192 fawns – and coyotes ate most of them, despite the intensive trapping campaign.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10.1002/jwmg.764

Based on our findings, coyote control may not be a viable tool for most land managers in the eastern United States hoping to improve recruitment or increase deer population density. That we did not realize a consistent large increase in survival despite intensive coyote removal highlights the difficulty of achieving adequate coyote control in forested areas such as the southeastern United States, where aerial gunning is not possible. The level of coyote removal necessary to increase deer recruitment to desired levels is unknown but appears difficult to achieve through ordinary trapping. Effective coyote control may be even more difficult on smaller tracts than we studied, because of the more limited number of individuals that could be removed from a small area combined with the wide-ranging movements and apparently high immigration potential of coyotes. Additionally, coyote trapping can entail high costs because of the labor, equipment, and fuel required. Our contract cost per coyote removed ranged from $120 to $250 and averaged $199, which would equate to $123 had contractors been permitted to commercialize their catch (based on average annual commercial value of coyotes in South Carolina; Butfiloski 2011, 2012). The marginal gains in recruitment that we observed may not justify such an investment.

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In the 80's I knew a couple of guys from Kansas that hated coyotes with a passion. They had their pickups equipped with a dog box on the back that the side would flip up with the pull of a rope. They had 4 or so greyhounds in there and when the box opened they would catch the coyotes quickly and kill em'. They killed a LOT of coyotes on those open plains.

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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
In the 80's I knew a couple of guys from Kansas that hated coyotes with a passion. They had their pickups equipped with a dog box on the back that the side would flip up with the pull of a rope. They had 4 or so greyhounds in there and when the box opened they would catch the coyotes quickly and kill em'. They killed a LOT of coyotes on those open plains.


i bet dobermans would work even better . the one i had that ran deer could out run any walker i put him with .

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