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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1160922
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Coyote problem is going to get worse before it will get better. Too many folks think coyotes aren't making a dent in their deer numbers. Next time you are in the woods count how many fawns you see and post the number up in this thread. I am interested in knowing how other clubs fawn numbers rank with mine.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: charlie] #1160934
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Originally Posted By: charlie
I caught my 8 year old last year. Didn't hurt at all. I let him loose cause he hasn't been killing my deer too bad. [img:center]http:// [/img]


Lol.. glad to see you practicing catch and release laugh


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1160956
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Teacher I have seen probably 12-15 fawns this year most does I see have 1. I've seen a lot of younger does last year fawns and several older does without any. I've seen very few does with twins and I assume we lost some of them to predators.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1160966
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All these coyotes , dog hunters and doe days.

I'm shocked any deer are left in alabama to be honest.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: AlabamaSwamper] #1160994
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Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
All these coyotes , dog hunters and doe days.

I'm shocked any deer are left in alabama to be honest.


I am not sure if you are just joking or not....

BUT, many of the groups in this neck of the woods that dog hunt, do not shoot many does. Most of them are run by older guys that still remember the times when there were not many deer and just do not believe in shooting them. They do kill a lot of deer! But, their Reproduction rate is high and they Recruit a lot of deer into the herd every year.

Now, as far as the younger still hunters who grew up during the 'shoot every doe you see and hunt another one' era.......that is another story!!! LOL

It is a combination of lower doe densities and reduced Recruitment Rates due to Predation. BUT, many hunters still prescribe to the SAME harvest criteria/antlerless kill. If you want more deer, shoot less does! If the results are not fast enough/evident enough; couple that with aggressive Predator Control. Dang, it ain't Rocket Science!

BUT, remember.....if you want to have more deer and the same quality, you need to provide more food!

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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1161002
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Yes, I was being sarcastic


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: AlabamaSwamper] #1161016
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Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
Yes, I was being sarcastic


I thought so!

But, dang......nowadays, with some of the stuff I hear/see......I have just quit taking anything for granted! LOL

Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Clem] #1166917
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Originally Posted By: Clem

Some interesting findings out of an ongoing Virginia study into coyotes, bobcats and deer:

http://www.alleghenymountainradio.org/vi...in-bath-county/

http://www.research.vt.edu/resmag/2014-summer/s2014-coyotes.html



from one of the links

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Home on the range
Based on the first 14 coyotes trapped for the Appalachian study, some home ranges are stable and others are shifting. The average coyote home range in the study area is about eight square miles, but there was a lot of variation.

“A young female coyote had the largest territory,” Morin said. “One season, she ranged 600 square kilometers (373 square miles) every two weeks, moving in between other coyotes’ ranges. We think she was unable to find a territory until about a year later, and then settled in West Virginia.”

Overall, female coyotes in the study had larger home ranges than males. Home-range movements for all coyotes are smallest in the spring and summer when they have pups and largest in the fall and winter when they are looking for new territories and mates.

“One thing that interests me is determining what is happening to those coyotes that don’t have stable home ranges,” Morin said.
Typically, coyotes push ahead until they reach other coyotes’ territories, thereby creating a stable territory. Coyotes, as well as other predators, often behave like this; the population is regulated by competition with other coyotes and other predators.

But these shifting home ranges suggest something may be out of balance and affecting normal population regulation; it is likely related to the high mortality rate observed in the area. Of the original 14 coyotes collared, only four are still alive, and three of the seven collared in 2013 have already been killed.
When a coyote is killed, it may actually make deer more vulnerable to predation.


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It will be important to overlay the bear and bobcat scat location data with the coyote scat and movement location data to learn how the three predators interact.
“What is unique about this study,” said Fies, “is that researchers will have estimates of population density for all three predators and deer at the same time and in the same place. We won’t have to rely on anecdotal evidence. To my knowledge, this has not been done anywhere else.”
A multi-predator approach is an important next step.
“We can tell that the answer to the coyote-deer question is more complex than a two-species interaction,” Kelly said. “We hope to build on what we have already learned and expand the study by including multiple predators — coyotes, bobcats, and bears. That way we can gain a more thorough understanding of the ecosystem, especially in relation to its relative newcomer — the coyote.”


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1166964
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IMO alabama should legalize snares with the choke down stops


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1166991
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There is a combo of Problems going on in Alabama. But a few things that are going good also.

1. Yotes, they are a problem and have been for awhile now. Think we are seeing more pics posted because people are finally tired of the Dang Critters.

2. Liberal Doe days Good and bad. It allows a person, Club, Or lodge to manage there own heard. In the other hand it lets the guys next door knock them down also.

3. Habitat, I think this is the Big one right now. The day of Farmers in the area are going down hill fast. Just take a look at Lowndes or Dallas County. There are about 3 big farmers left in Lowndes and a lot of them have turned to sod. The old fields of Soybeans, Cotton, Corn and peanuts are Now Pine Plantations. Throw in Clear cutting and subdivisions areas popping up the habitat is in a dwindle.

It seems we are seeing bigger bucks or people are posting more. But I think people are catching on its not just go out and hunt and be done with it. They are feeding during spring and summer. Opening up canopy's for more new under growth. So good is coming it just doesn't happen over night. Heck even the state on some WMA's have put antler Restrictions so they are trying also.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1167016
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A snip it from Clem's link........

So, for example, the mortality is really, really high in Bath County. Sixty three percent of the coyotes we collared were killed within the first year of being captured. But the population density isn’t decreasing. And that’s because mortality doesn’t really have an effect on population density, because their reproduction increases in response to increased mortality.”


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: CNC] #1167223
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Son and I hunted three days in Northwest Colbert and saw only three deer. Stalk hunted every morning until the club next door turned the dogs loose. That was when we saw the three does. Ten million acorns on the ground and no deer to eat them that we can find. PS-We are fairly good hunters, not weekend warriors. Did not see the first coyote either. I think the damage has already been done on our property.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1167460
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Me and my son went hunting yesterday afternoon. I saw 8 deer and he saw 6 in the plot he was sitting in. I shot one and lost blood so I backed out until this morning. This is what I found, nothing but hide and bone.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: inojon] #1167473
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Originally Posted By: inojon
Me and my son went hunting yesterday afternoon. I saw 8 deer and he saw 6 in the plot he was sitting in. I shot one and lost blood so I backed out until this morning. This is what I found, nothing but hide and bone.




Last year I found this twice at my moms place between Talladega and Lincoln.
One in the back pasture and one fairly decent buck in the yard.

Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Stob] #1167536
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Imagine what she went through when the yotes found her. I wish I could personally kill every one of them in Colbert County. No matter what folks on here say, yotes are a major problem.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: extreme heights hunter] #1167618
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1168361
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I never have understood the idea that killing coyotes or a coyote doesn't make any difference to the coyote population, over my pay grade I guess. Makes me feel better anyway.

Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: timbercruiser] #1168371
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
I never have understood the idea that killing coyotes or a coyote doesn't make any difference to the coyote population, over my pay grade I guess. Makes me feel better anyway.


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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM [Re: Teacher One] #1168395
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
I never have understood the idea that killing coyotes or a coyote doesn't make any difference to the coyote population, over my pay grade I guess. Makes me feel better anyway.


Hey Timber these coyotes are on the land that used to be one of your clubs. Man you ought to have heard them down there around Tommy's gate yesterday right before dark. This doe was across the road from y'all's sign in board.


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The days of leaving deer and going back the next morning are about over. Either find them that night or the yotes will.

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