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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
#1159832
11/23/14 08:50 AM
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bet it isn't the first time that cop did this......
whats with the masked face chitt????
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Re: Police State
[Re: klay]
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11/23/14 09:24 AM
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Jeez, it's a high school football game!
Unless I see video of the kid swinging at the officer or at least aggressively resisting arrest (arrest for what?) then the officer was in the wrong.
Mom and dad are both lawyers so stay tuned.
Without your 2nd amendment rights you have no 1st amendment rights.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
#1159867
11/23/14 09:24 AM
11/23/14 09:24 AM
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Skullworks
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Police have lost the ability to have a civil discussion with people. Not so long ago the LEO would have simply expanded why they weren't allowed to do something and what the penalty would be if they continued to violate the rule. There wasn't a need to bully someone and use pepper spray. LEOs tend to take things personally. If your ego is that fragile you have no business being one. If they were simply standing too close to a rail then this is an over reaction. The LEOs attitude was evident based on his comments to the students.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Police State
[Re: crenshawco]
#1159879
11/23/14 09:32 AM
11/23/14 09:32 AM
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Thin skin and Law Enforcement don't mix. Bad combo.
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
#1159883
11/23/14 09:38 AM
11/23/14 09:38 AM
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Skullworks
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The point is that it is ridiculous to have this much police presence at a football game where the fans generally aren't mixed. I guarantee that most kids are not any worse than we were at football games. The police on the other hand have changed. I agree that there was a scuffle but it appeared to be initiated by the LEO...according to all I have seen about it.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
#1159907
11/23/14 10:00 AM
11/23/14 10:00 AM
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Skullworks
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I think the use of the pepper spray is the main issue. Evidently what ever started it they didn't have anything to arrest him on since he was released. I never remember police in the stands when we went to games. They generally were on foot walking the fences and keeping the two groups if fans from mixing.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Police State
[Re: BhamFred]
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11/23/14 10:23 AM
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bet it isn't the first time that cop did this......
whats with the masked face chitt???? He damn sure wasn't doing under cover work. Thinking that he is a bad a$$ in his own mind I guess. No need for the pepper spray in that situation and way overboard in his actions.
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Re: Police State
[Re: Bill Dillard]
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11/23/14 11:27 AM
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I think there is more to it than what the camera shows or the story reads.
We have no idea of what the conversation was between the student and cop. The story is misleading in my opinion, and tends to sway in the students's side. It was written he was away from the railing, which I did not see, nor could I see how close he was to the railing.
The story reads of the student's words to the policeman, which I'm sure there were several things left out which the boy did say, and several things probably left out which the boy was asked to do by the policeman.
I'd like the whole facts before I made a judgement, as I have learned not to make judgments in the past, thinking I had the whole story.
A little more facts added, which are missing to begin with, can change the whole outcome of a decision.
A ski mask on a policeman, isn't a good idea though.
Just my thoughts.
God Bless, David B.
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Re: Police State
[Re: williambevelssr]
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11/23/14 11:57 AM
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you give any person to much power sooner or later it goes to their head. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Police State
[Re: BOFF]
#1160070
11/23/14 11:59 AM
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I think there is more to it than what the camera shows or the story reads.
We have no idea of what the conversation was between the student and cop. The story is misleading in my opinion, and tends to sway in the students's side. It was written he was away from the railing, which I did not see, nor could I see how close he was to the railing.
The story reads of the student's words to the policeman, which I'm sure there were several things left out which the boy did say, and several things probably left out which the boy was asked to do by the policeman.
I'd like the whole facts before I made a judgement, as I have learned not to make judgments in the past, thinking I had the whole story.
A little more facts added, which are missing to begin with, can change the whole outcome of a decision.
A ski mask on a policeman, isn't a good idea though.
Just my thoughts.
God Bless, David B.
You just inserted about a dozen assumptions and you want facts?
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Police State
[Re: Dallas County]
#1160180
11/23/14 01:23 PM
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you give any person to much power sooner or later it goes to their head. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Oh really? Can I point you in the direction of Congress for further examples? Perhaps 1600 PA Ave? I could go on...
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Re: Police State
[Re: Fullthrottle]
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11/23/14 01:25 PM
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Regardless of what happened befor they got into camera frame. The pepper spray was uncalled for. You are a adult he is a kid. If he couldn't control him he shouldn't be a leo I would agree with this. Doesn't appear to be any yelling from the kid or him telling the officer he was going to kill his $#$@%%^ @#%@ and reaching in his pockets. I'd still like to hear both sides. God Bless, David B.
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Re: Police State
[Re: Dallas County]
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11/23/14 01:27 PM
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I think there is more to it than what the camera shows or the story reads.
We have no idea of what the conversation was between the student and cop. The story is misleading in my opinion, and tends to sway in the students's side. It was written he was away from the railing, which I did not see, nor could I see how close he was to the railing.
The story reads of the student's words to the policeman, which I'm sure there were several things left out which the boy did say, and several things probably left out which the boy was asked to do by the policeman.
I'd like the whole facts before I made a judgement, as I have learned not to make judgments in the past, thinking I had the whole story.
A little more facts added, which are missing to begin with, can change the whole outcome of a decision.
A ski mask on a policeman, isn't a good idea though.
Just my thoughts.
God Bless, David B.
You just inserted about a dozen assumptions and you want facts? I made a few assumptions, but not "about a dozen". Stick to the facts. God Bless, David B.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
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11/23/14 01:38 PM
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Pathetic, there at a football game cheering and getting into the game like your suppose too. Also looks like a black cop assaulting a white kid. Let's flip the scenario and that have been a black kid doing nothing wrong and a white cop pepper spray him and see what kid of reaction we'd have. I hope this cop gets his ass fired over this!
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Re: Police State
[Re: rackhunter']
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11/23/14 02:30 PM
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... Also looks like a black cop assaulting a white kid. The cop might be black but you can't say that from the video. Ski mask and black gloves.
Without your 2nd amendment rights you have no 1st amendment rights.
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Re: Police State
[Re: Remington270]
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11/23/14 02:51 PM
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you give any person to much power sooner or later it goes to their head. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Oh really? Can I point you in the direction of Congress for further examples? Perhaps 1600 PA Ave? I could go on... Yes, really. The way it was phrased is that if a person has power than it shall go to their head. That means in essence 100% of the time. Again, nothing could be further than the truth. Some of your examples might very well be true (again you inferred 100% of Congress), but it's not 100%. That was the only point I was trying to make.
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Police State
[Re: BOFF]
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11/23/14 02:55 PM
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You just inserted about a dozen assumptions and you want facts? I made a few assumptions, but not "about a dozen". Stick to the facts. God Bless, David B. That's why I was very sure to use "about"....
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
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11/23/14 03:36 PM
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I read somewhere that BOTH of the kids parents are lawyers.....real bad juju for that asshole cop.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
#1160940
11/24/14 02:15 AM
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Looks like the cop over reacted.. That said, I wouldn't want their job and the constant personal abuse they are subjected to. The disdain for police is very evident among some members on this forum and in the public in general. I look at the cop murdered in Tallahassee last week and the one shot in Gulfport yesterday and it is apparent the decline in civil society' s behavior. No wonder they snap.
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Re: Police State
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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11/24/14 02:18 AM
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I read somewhere that BOTH of the kids parents are lawyers.....real bad juju for that asshole cop. Yep, that's what the story says. Hope it's true. Karma, she's a b###h.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
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Re: Police State
[Re: skidboot77]
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11/24/14 03:01 AM
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Let me state for the record, I have no family in law enforcement. I just find, as a rule they are much niceer people than society as a whole. You should get out more, and for sure at least start paying attention to what law enforcement has become.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
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11/24/14 03:28 AM
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I totally agree with Charlie. If your going to step up your use of force you dang sure better charge him with something. Rather it be criminal mischief or assault. IMO releasing him to the principle does nothing but strengthen the kids case. You would think that someone with 23 experience would know how to deal with a high school kid without using pepper spray.
Now I worked with a LEO for 3yrs as a dispatcher. I had no ambition to become one but I did get my fill of what type guys become officers. NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD A$$e$. Most are good guys just there to get a paycheck. BUT there are a handful that are a handful. There are more good than bad.
I posted a thread on here a couple years ago with a terrible experience I had with a Hueytown cop. That guy was all ego. Belittled me and talked to me like I was a criminal. Now that one incident doesn't mean that all Hueytown officers are bad cops.
If your decoy doesnt have holes in it, your not letting him get close enough... J.H.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
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11/24/14 04:38 AM
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My question is what kind of authority does a Phenix City cop have in Prattville? The ski mask is ridiculous as well.
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Re: Police State
[Re: Skullworks]
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11/24/14 05:16 AM
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Police have lost the ability to have a civil discussion with people. Not so long ago the LEO would have simply expanded why they weren't allowed to do something and what the penalty would be if they continued to violate the rule. There wasn't a need to bully someone and use pepper spray. LEOs tend to take things personally. If your ego is that fragile you have no business being one. If they were simply standing too close to a rail then this is an over reaction. The LEOs attitude was evident based on his comments to the students. Better narrow that down to some, Not all. I know a ton of officers very personally and I don't know any of them that would have handled this situation like that. This guy was an idiot that doesn't need to be doing the job, but please don't throw all of us in the same hat just because of him. I've never mistreated one person on the job.
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Re: Police State
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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11/24/14 05:18 AM
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I read somewhere that BOTH of the kids parents are lawyers.....real bad juju for that asshole cop. And that's what he deserves. He doesn't need to be a cop. Guys like him really tick me off because they're the ones that get all of us thrown in to that "all cops are bad" bs.
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Re: Police State
[Re: Fullthrottle]
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11/24/14 05:22 AM
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Regardless of what happened befor they got into camera frame. The pepper spray was uncalled for. You are a adult he is a kid. If he couldn't control him he shouldn't be a leo A guy his size should never have to use pepper spray on someone that small. I bet he could have solved it with words, but he probably isn't very good at that.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
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11/24/14 06:21 AM
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This cop's an idot.
Assault & battery, plain & simple. This guy doesn't have the temperament for the job. The ski mask tells me that he's trying to convey exactly what the kid says took place, he's one bad motorscooter and will do you up right if you cross him. He wasn't trying to maintain safety, he was showing what he's made of.
Now he can do it in a shopping mall wearing a Pinkerton uniform.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
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11/24/14 06:33 AM
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Skullworks
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I talked to someone that was there. He said the kid was being a jackass. The only problem I really have is the pepper spray. If they told the kids not to block the safety area then as soon as one purposely did it they should have removed him from the stadium. No need for pushing and shoving just take him by the arm and escort him out. If they had done that then the cop would not have looked as bad as he did in the video and wouldn't be dealing with all this crap. By lowering himself to the level of a teenager he made himself look foolish. IMO.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
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11/24/14 06:56 AM
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This requires a 20-man detail at a High School football game: "The confrontation began when two Phenix City police officers asked several Prattville students to step away from the railing in the stands where people aren't allowed to stand. Smith said his officers believed the students would try to rush the field after Prattville won as he was told they did when they beat Baker High the week before in Mobile, Ala. An altercation happened between fans on the field after that game, Smith said." Read more here: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2014/11/2...1#storylink=cpyNot gonna tolerate any of that "rushing the field-celebrating stuff". I suppose the kid was lucky the cop didn't shoot him. I don't care what the kid said or where he was standing, the video looks like the cop assaulted him. When he broke out the pepper spray it was battery. I got hosed down with the stuff once in a pub in Chicago back in my Navy days, a couple of the guys were getting rowdy and making a lot of noise and when the cops came in they announced they were "kicking ass & taking names". I would have loved to have met them another time & place, but they established control and cleared the place in minutes, they really seemed to enjoy themselves. I've had worse butt-kickings, but probably not one I resented more. The badge attracts the wrong kind of personality sometimes, and occasionally they weed themselves out.
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Re: Police State
[Re: NortonZ7]
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11/24/14 07:43 AM
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Police have lost the ability to have a civil discussion with people. Not so long ago the LEO would have simply expanded why they weren't allowed to do something and what the penalty would be if they continued to violate the rule. There wasn't a need to bully someone and use pepper spray. LEOs tend to take things personally. If your ego is that fragile you have no business being one. If they were simply standing too close to a rail then this is an over reaction. The LEOs attitude was evident based on his comments to the students. Better narrow that down to some, Not all. I know a ton of officers very personally and I don't know any of them that would have handled this situation like that. This guy was an idiot that doesn't need to be doing the job, but please don't throw all of us in the same hat just because of him. I've never mistreated one person on the job. I wish all were like you. Also , if more god cops would inform and help weed out the bad ones it would go a long way towards cleaning up the professions image. I think the thin blue line issue is one of the biggest enablers for bad cops.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: Police State
[Re: bill]
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11/24/14 08:19 AM
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Cleburne County
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Police have lost the ability to have a civil discussion with people. Not so long ago the LEO would have simply expanded why they weren't allowed to do something and what the penalty would be if they continued to violate the rule. There wasn't a need to bully someone and use pepper spray. LEOs tend to take things personally. If your ego is that fragile you have no business being one. If they were simply standing too close to a rail then this is an over reaction. The LEOs attitude was evident based on his comments to the students. Better narrow that down to some, Not all. I know a ton of officers very personally and I don't know any of them that would have handled this situation like that. This guy was an idiot that doesn't need to be doing the job, but please don't throw all of us in the same hat just because of him. I've never mistreated one person on the job. I wish all were like you. Also , if more god cops would inform and help weed out the bad ones it would go a long way towards cleaning up the professions image. I think the thin blue line issue is one of the biggest enablers for bad cops. I will be the first to call an officer out for doing the wrong thing. I take my job very seriously and I try to make a positive difference in every persons I encounter, even hardcore dirtbags. I think some guys let things get to their head and it affects the way they handle situations. I could be working in a hospital making more money, but I picked being a cop because I honestly do want to help make my community better. I wish everyone in this profession would remember what we are ultimately there for; and that's to make our community safe for all the good folks. Unfortunately some guys don't take that part as seriously. They're probably the same ones that act like people they arrest when they're off work. It really bothers me when people say all of us are the same nowadays or " law enforcement has become this". That's not true. Things have been happening for years but now we have social media and every cell phone has a camera so things hit the internet as soon as they happen. If you pull the stats of all officers in America it's right around 1% that are bad, or make a bad choice on the job. That ain't that bad IMO. Other professions don't catch near as much heck when they mess up. Just like doctors that hand out scripts to pull heads knowing they truly don't need them just so they'll make an extra dollar. It is what it is I suppose, but I'll keep strapping it on and trying to make my community better no matter how bad society talks about the profession that I love.
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