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Police State #1159818
11/23/14 08:37 AM
11/23/14 08:37 AM
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bill Offline OP
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Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159832
11/23/14 08:50 AM
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bet it isn't the first time that cop did this......

whats with the masked face chitt????


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Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159843
11/23/14 08:58 AM
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Not taking up for the cop, but at the very bottom of the screen, just before they come in to frame good, it looks like the boy did attack the cop. Maybe he didn't handle it right, but looks like a spoiled brat over ran his boundaries.

Re: Police State [Re: klay] #1159866
11/23/14 09:24 AM
11/23/14 09:24 AM
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Jeez, it's a high school football game!

Unless I see video of the kid swinging at the officer or at least aggressively resisting arrest (arrest for what?) then the officer was in the wrong.

Mom and dad are both lawyers so stay tuned.


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Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159867
11/23/14 09:24 AM
11/23/14 09:24 AM
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Prattville, Alabama
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Police have lost the ability to have a civil discussion with people. Not so long ago the LEO would have simply expanded why they weren't allowed to do something and what the penalty would be if they continued to violate the rule. There wasn't a need to bully someone and use pepper spray. LEOs tend to take things personally. If your ego is that fragile you have no business being one. If they were simply standing too close to a rail then this is an over reaction. The LEOs attitude was evident based on his comments to the students.


"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
Jimmy G.
Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159877
11/23/14 09:30 AM
11/23/14 09:30 AM
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Montgomery / Luverne
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They need to start charging these idiot cops with crimes rather than a slap on the wrist or lost job. It seems that this is becoming commonplace for police

Re: Police State [Re: crenshawco] #1159879
11/23/14 09:32 AM
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Panhandle Florida
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Thin skin and Law Enforcement don't mix. Bad combo.


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Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159882
11/23/14 09:33 AM
11/23/14 09:33 AM
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Gonna have to agree with klay....

as the camera turns on to them; it is very clear that there is a shoving match going on. The kid better hope no one else has the entire incident on camera!

Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159883
11/23/14 09:38 AM
11/23/14 09:38 AM
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The point is that it is ridiculous to have this much police presence at a football game where the fans generally aren't mixed. I guarantee that most kids are not any worse than we were at football games. The police on the other hand have changed. I agree that there was a scuffle but it appeared to be initiated by the LEO...according to all I have seen about it.


"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
Jimmy G.
Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159901
11/23/14 09:55 AM
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you give any person to much power sooner or later it goes to their head.


suck it up,grow a bigger pair and love what GOD gave you
Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159902
11/23/14 09:56 AM
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Depending on what started it I wouldn't have a problem with it up until he sprayed a clearly compliant boy directly in the eyes. The face mask is a problem as well. The police work for us, they are not secret government agents.

Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159907
11/23/14 10:00 AM
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I think the use of the pepper spray is the main issue. Evidently what ever started it they didn't have anything to arrest him on since he was released. I never remember police in the stands when we went to games. They generally were on foot walking the fences and keeping the two groups if fans from mixing.


"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
Jimmy G.
Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1159913
11/23/14 10:04 AM
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Looks like their was a shoveing match but put your self as the kid. What would your response be if some came up behind you and grabbed you. The kid sees it a cop and backs down. Leo screwed up.

Re: Police State [Re: BhamFred] #1159946
11/23/14 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
bet it isn't the first time that cop did this......

whats with the masked face chitt????


He damn sure wasn't doing under cover work. Thinking that he is a bad a$$ in his own mind I guess. No need for the pepper spray in that situation and way overboard in his actions.


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Re: Police State [Re: Bill Dillard] #1160033
11/23/14 11:27 AM
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I think there is more to it than what the camera shows or the story reads.

We have no idea of what the conversation was between the student and cop. The story is misleading in my opinion, and tends to sway in the students's side. It was written he was away from the railing, which I did not see, nor could I see how close he was to the railing.

The story reads of the student's words to the policeman, which I'm sure there were several things left out which the boy did say, and several things probably left out which the boy was asked to do by the policeman.

I'd like the whole facts before I made a judgement, as I have learned not to make judgments in the past, thinking I had the whole story.

A little more facts added, which are missing to begin with, can change the whole outcome of a decision.

A ski mask on a policeman, isn't a good idea though.


Just my thoughts.


God Bless,
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Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1160052
11/23/14 11:43 AM
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No we don't know the whole story, but if he did something worthy of that treatment he should have been arrested. It's not their job to beat the crap out of people because they said something to piss him off or didn't do what he was told to do. Cuff him up and take him out and charge him, don't throw him around and spray him in the eyes from 6 inches away and then let him go because they didn't have anything to charge him with. That boy was no threat, this wasn't a riot, it was a ball game. If he handled it right there would be no story here. He lost his temper. He doesn't need a badge.

Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1160057
11/23/14 11:48 AM
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That's pretty bad on many levels.

Re: Police State [Re: williambevelssr] #1160067
11/23/14 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted By: williambevelssr
you give any person to much power sooner or later it goes to their head.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.


not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids

Re: Police State [Re: BOFF] #1160070
11/23/14 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: BOFF
I think there is more to it than what the camera shows or the story reads.

We have no idea of what the conversation was between the student and cop. The story is misleading in my opinion, and tends to sway in the students's side. It was written he was away from the railing, which I did not see, nor could I see how close he was to the railing.

The story reads of the student's words to the policeman, which I'm sure there were several things left out which the boy did say, and several things probably left out which the boy was asked to do by the policeman.

I'd like the whole facts before I made a judgement, as I have learned not to make judgments in the past, thinking I had the whole story.

A little more facts added, which are missing to begin with, can change the whole outcome of a decision.

A ski mask on a policeman, isn't a good idea though.


Just my thoughts.


God Bless,
David B.


You just inserted about a dozen assumptions and you want facts?


not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids

Re: Police State [Re: bill] #1160081
11/23/14 12:05 PM
11/23/14 12:05 PM
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Regardless of what happened befor they got into camera frame. The pepper spray was uncalled for. You are a adult he is a kid. If he couldn't control him he shouldn't be a leo

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