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North Alabama 2013-2014 rut #1159796
11/23/14 08:20 AM
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Been trying to make sense of last years rut ever since it happened, and it did happen. Maybe we can make sense of it. We know year in year out early Jan. is prime breeding in Jackson and much of NE Bama. Last year mature buck kills were way down, hunters, processors and big buck contests support this. Why, what was different? Here's three things that happened or were happening during the time rut is normally. New moon was Jan. 1 as I remember, mast crop was all gone and the first round of single digit temps (polar vortex). I don't know if any of these or a combination was the culprit. Folks were saying we either didn't have a rut or they bred early and we all missed it. They bred and it was in the same time frame as previous years.

Fast forward to July this year, fawns started hitting the ground 3 rd week like clockwork. I made special note of trail cam pics , started seeing young fawns show up same time as always. First week of bow season most fawns I saw had lost spots and others were faint and fading, all looked big and healthy, just like clockwork.

To a man or woman biologist say the rut just doesn't make big shifts in only one year. I believe that.

By every indicator breeding took place same time as always, even though mature buck sightings, activity and kills were way down......what happened?

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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1159813
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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1159816
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I don't know but it was the same at the house and club. We saw very little chasing and very few rack bucks killed. Our rut is Christmas till around jan 10th.

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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1159872
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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1159899
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in all my years ive seen the weather effect deer more than anything else. imo the extreem cold caused movement to be less they still bred we just didnt see many moving.

Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1159925
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It was my first year in a club around double springs last year and the rut was wide open during thanksgiving. I haven't seen any sign to tell me it will be the second this year but I have vacation this week and I sure hope it fires up. Maybe it was early last year. Who knows?

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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1159939
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Is it possible that in the mountains, where most people hunt, the deer weren't there because the acorns weren't there, so most of the chasing and breeding took place where the food was? Like near the ag fields?

Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: semperfi10463] #1159980
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Originally Posted By: semperfi10463
in all my years ive seen the weather effect deer more than anything else. imo the extreem cold caused movement to be less they still bred we just didnt see many moving.


Of all the factors, I'm thinking weather extremes. In the mid nighties we had a extreme warm front sit on us for about 10 days in early January. I think it got up to 70 several days, many days were foggy with high humidity but no rain. Deer shut down and very few were kill when they should have been dying like flies. About Jan 10 a front came through and it snowed and moved the warm air out. The day the temps started dropping was a Friday and it snowed that afternoon. There was more big bucks killed that weekend than all the rest of the season combined, it was a big buck blood bath. And of course fawns were born the next Summer right on time. I suspect all movement during the heat wave was at night when it was cooler.

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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: booth2] #1159988
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Originally Posted By: booth2
Is it possible that in the mountains, where most people hunt, the deer weren't there because the acorns weren't there, so most of the chasing and breeding took place where the food was? Like near the ag fields?


as a professional trapper I feel your heads on. no matter how horny a person or animal is THEY STILL HAVE TO EAT OR THEY GET TO WEAK TO FINISH THE JOB LOL.

Take coon when one food source is gone they move on till they find another, same with beaver,rats and mink, canines and cats travel farther distance.cats if they find a rich food source will hold up till it is gone, deer travel from my understanding is 10 miles or has a 10 mile home range, yes they will leave or forced off but they will return, food water and denning areas take any one away then you see changes in the animals patterns


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Originally Posted By: booth2
Is it possible that in the mountains, where most people hunt, the deer weren't there because the acorns weren't there, so most of the chasing and breeding took place where the food was? Like near the ag fields?


Doubt it, locals know to move to fields and other food when the acorns and browse play out. Bout every four years there is a total acorn failure and a year they are scares in another in the period. Never seen it effect rutting activity, buck movement and such. Folks just change tactics and locations.



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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1160021
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True, but many folks don't have the luxury to move to the ag fields because they might not own any. I'm Ike you, in wanting to know what happened because it obviously did happen, just how did many folks miss it?

Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1160264
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2dog I agree to a point and your right food want stop the rut but if most of the deer is focused were the food is and rut starts , there would be no need for them to travel as the does would be were the food already is, now with acorns being plenty at times the deer would be more spaced out so yes when rut starts then they would have to travel more because of scattered does.i beleave that's why one season you see a lot of bucks and other years very few,

now I have a question

how do we know the deer are not moving .we hunt the day light hours them bucks could be moving at night,

i left out does because they are moving some as I have a lot of pics from my trail cam and all day light shots of does but not one single pic of a buck.

I went to the club sat and deer hunted for a while with my brother , around noon I decided to scout till later that evening, I bet I found 15 yote tracks for every deer track, so I have tons of work to do to clean the club up from yotes. that's another post

from the deer tracks that I found the bucks has not even come close to chasing does in my area, the deer trails only ether all doe tracks or all bucks , these tracks are consistant all over the club, very few acorns and plenty of green fields,


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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1160280
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This is the one thing that I feel most people care so much about but never really comprehend. In the Southeast, many people are burnt out by the time most rut kicks in. I have read a few really good articles on the rut over the past five or so years and most of the authors state that the southeast rut is less finite because of the isolated circumstances. Most circumstances were deer ratios, food sources, and terrain. More times than not, temps were not high on the list. I have yet to hunt a year without at least seeing a "seeking phase". I think more people would likely have more luck with the rut if the knew what their herd numbers and ratios were. We noticed an increase in numbers of total deer on our lease starting the second year and that was the first year on the property we saw a "chasing phase". Once we started investing a good bit in food sources and mineral sights, we found it much easier to pattern and estimate the numbers. We noticed that we had many more bucks than we needed. This made sense because the first year we had only seen a "seeking phase" and we killed a good many spikes. By the second year we noticed that decrease in bucks along with a higher number of does due to, we think, an increased food source caused a more pronounced chasing phase. Might be a load of bull but for most cases I have found that your herd dynamics are directly correlated to the amount of work and resources you invest.


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Sure they move at night, but we can't legally hunt at night. But during rut at least some move all times of day and night.

Pretty sure, it wasn't the food, like I said there are years when there is little food in the woods, bucks a plenty are killed. MOF most hunters say they do better when there is little food and the deer must move more.



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Originally Posted By: Jpipererp
This is the one thing that I feel most people care so much about but never really comprehend. In the Southeast, many people are burnt out by the time most rut kicks in. I have read a few really good articles on the rut over the past five or so years and most of the authors state that the southeast rut is less finite because of the isolated circumstances. Most circumstances were deer ratios, food sources, and terrain. More times than not, temps were not high on the list. I have yet to hunt a year without at least seeing a "seeking phase". I think more people would likely have more luck with the rut if the knew what their herd numbers and ratios were. We noticed an increase in numbers of total deer on our lease starting the second year and that was the first year on the property we saw a "chasing phase". Once we started investing a good bit in food sources and mineral sights, we found it much easier to pattern and estimate the numbers. We noticed that we had many more bucks than we needed. This made sense because the first year we had only seen a "seeking phase" and we killed a good many spikes. By the second year we noticed that decrease in bucks along with a higher number of does due to, we think, an increased food source caused a more pronounced chasing phase. Might be a load of bull but for most cases I have found that your herd dynamics are directly correlated to the amount of work and resources you invest.


Agree and good post. But everyone our area didn't just burn out. Most hunters I talked with reported seeing little or no chasing . I struggled to kill a 4YO 130" 8pt during rut and my son didn't shoot a buck at all. Something strange happened last Jan. Bout all I can come up with is the 3 or so super cold, polar vortex snaps locked them down.

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In my 8 years of hunting Alabama, I've noticed that extreme cold affects deer movement more than anything else. In my home state of Kentucky, it generally gets the deer up and moving to find food, but in Alabama, they seem to completely shut down. That would be my guess as to the lack of observed rut activity last year, just too cold.

My good friend, Jughead, has a pretty good theory as it relates to this as well. When the ground is frozen solid, as it was much of January last year, daylight deer movement is non existent unless the ground thaws, or it at least seems to be. Maybe the majority of the daylight movement occurred on south facing hill/mountain sides where the sun thawed those areas out around noon?

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Originally Posted By: Eagle
In my 8 years of hunting Alabama, I've noticed that extreme cold affects deer movement more than anything else. In my home state of Kentucky, it generally gets the deer up and moving to find food, but in Alabama, they seem to completely shut down. That would be my guess as to the lack of observed rut activity last year, just too cold.

My good friend, Jughead, has a pretty good theory as it relates to this as well. When the ground is frozen solid, as it was much of January last year, daylight deer movement is non existent unless the ground thaws, or it at least seems to be. Maybe the majority of the daylight movement occurred on south facing hill/mountain sides where the sun thawed those areas out around noon?


Spot on… I used to think that the colder the better, but over time have figured out that low 30's as a low and mid 40's as a high is optimal. teens and low 20's usually results on little deer movement.

2dogs…I would love to know what happened last year. Maybe the does conserved their energy during the day and mostly moved at night due to low temps… no idea, but it wasn't good last year. there were 3 really good bucks killed on neighbor's land on Jan. 1st and that was it, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted By: Eagle
In my 8 years of hunting Alabama, I've noticed that extreme cold affects deer movement more than anything else. In my home state of Kentucky, it generally gets the deer up and moving to find food, but in Alabama, they seem to completely shut down. That would be my guess as to the lack of observed rut activity last year, just too cold.

My good friend, Jughead, has a pretty good theory as it relates to this as well. When the ground is frozen solid, as it was much of January last year, daylight deer movement is non existent unless the ground thaws, or it at least seems to be. Maybe the majority of the daylight movement occurred on south facing hill/mountain sides where the sun thawed those areas out around noon?


My theory as well, plus it was so cold it locked many of the hunters down too. Extreme temps/weather of any kind for more than a day tends to lock them down.

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Re: North Alabama 2013-2014 rut [Re: 2Dogs] #1161298
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It's a biological fact, that an animal needs to feed more when the temps drop. We, also need to feed more when its colder. I don't have the answer, but those are the facts. Lack of acorns, in the mountains, cold weather keeping some hunters at home, combined with unforseen factors all play a part.

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Here are two articles that might help explain some things.

No Link Between Moon Phase and Rut Peak: http://www.qdma.com/articles/no-link-between-moon-phase-and-rut-peak

Whitetail Deer - Into the Mind of a Rutting Buck: http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/hunting/2014/10/mind-rutting-buck


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