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Houston, We have a PROBLEM
#1159444
11/23/14 01:25 AM
11/23/14 01:25 AM
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Posts: 9,002 Colbert County
Teacher One
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I am no biologist, but I realize how valuable the data is from hunters like me when it comes to deer density. I realize the posters on here killed more coyotes than deer today which is unreal for opening day. Opening day used to sound like a war zone a few years ago and today I heard two shots. Both of these shots were at coyotes! One of the Yates was killed and one was missed. I hunt an area that is over a thousand acres of unpressured private land and have only seen 10 deer all year. I have not seen a coyote on the property, but I have seen a tremendous amount of coyote sign. I do not have nearly as many deer as I have had in the past and these deer have not been shot out.
I know there is a huge problem on the horizon coming our way with the coyotes. We are going to have to attack this problem immediately as it is already out of hand in some areas. Maybe this site can get the ball rolling in regard to addressing our problem and let the ones in charge start devising a plan of action. A penny for you thoughts.
I can't stand a thief.
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/23/14 01:46 AM
11/23/14 01:46 AM
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It is amazing how many coyote pics have shown, up. Not sure of the reason but there are lots of them. I also follow the TNdeer board, they have had lots of nice deer and the coyote problems are real there, too. Maybe we will see more deer killed as the weather and the rut start to get more favorable. (The rut is peek there right now in many places.) JMO.
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/23/14 02:04 AM
11/23/14 02:04 AM
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Posts: 9,795 North Jackson
ridgestalker
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Keep a half dozen traps in your vehicle and use them at your gut piles.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/23/14 02:20 AM
11/23/14 02:20 AM
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Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,074 Glendale, FL
WhiteCityHunter
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I live in northern Walton Co. Florida. We have lots of coyotes, see em all the time, but we also have LOTS of deer. The coyotes are not your main problem, it's the liberal doe harvest regs in Alabama. HeRe we have had 7 doe days for years, this year we have 8. The only difference between us and you is the huge difference in the number of days that does are allowed to be harvested. On my Alabama property the deer population has plummeted over the last 8 years, here in Florida the deer population has remained steady. Now for the first time here in Florida,we have antler restrictions. No spikes or 4 pointers can be harvested except by youth. We have plenty of deer, nice bucks, and we will soon have more older bucks since most of the 1 1/2 year old bucks are now off limits.I am impressed by how the FWC is managing our deer herd here but in AlaBama I wonder if the state is doing anything to manage the herd other than taking a complete hands off approach.Less regs can be better but I put zero confidence in everybody man aging their trigger finger. That, obviously IS NOT wor king in areas of Alabama. THE DOE HARVEST NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN PARTS OF ALABAMA, PERIOD!
Coyotes + liberal doe harvest= less deer
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/23/14 02:24 AM
11/23/14 02:24 AM
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Posts: 1,140 Ino Alabama
inojon
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The land I hunt is covered in deer and there are a lot of coyotes also. I get more enjoyment out of trapping coyotes these days than I do deer hunting. I'll continue to pay the lease so I can hunt if I choose but I can trap coyotes year round. I have caught 8 coyotes the last few weeks with just a few traps out and the farmer whose land I'm trapping on has saw several more the last couple days since I pulled my traps. He is seeing them in his pasture around his cows. Now they will get a calf if giving the chance but they're mainly after the afterbirth and milk poop from the calves. I'll get back after them soon and do my part of getting rid of them. Just my .02 on the matter.
The same farmer whose land I am trapping is covered in deer. He gets a permit every year to kill deer for eating his crops. I don't know how bad the coyotes are on the deer on his land.
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/23/14 03:06 AM
11/23/14 03:06 AM
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Posts: 51,948 Round ‘bout there
Clem
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I know there is a huge problem on the horizon coming our way with the coyotes. It's not coming. It's been here. Year-round trapping is the most effective method, bar none. Shooting them helps, but a reliable, dedicated trapper is the best way to get a handle on them.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: Fuzzy_Bunny]
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11/23/14 03:38 AM
11/23/14 03:38 AM
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Posts: 11,651 Longwood, FL
jlbuc10
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Im not saying that we don't have a coyote problem, but people are a lot more likely to post pictures of a dead yote than a doe.
I highly doubt there were more yotes killed.... Literally killed one as I was posting!!!
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: Clem]
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11/23/14 04:07 AM
11/23/14 04:07 AM
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Posts: 7,780 central ala,
centralala
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I know there is a huge problem on the horizon coming our way with the coyotes. It's not coming. It's been here. Year-round trapping is the most effective method, bar none. Shooting them helps, but a reliable, dedicated trapper is the best way to get a handle on them. I agree with this 100%. Coyotes are like a water leak. You don't know you have problem until you get the water bill and by then the damage is done. I am not a deer hunter but I ain't Ray Charles either. I've seen a problem for a long time growing. As far as trapping, people better read the rules and regs. I haven't lately but use to be traps had to tagged with name and phone number, checked EVERY day, etc. That checking EVERY day is a problem for a lot of people who don't live near their land.
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: WhiteCityHunter]
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11/23/14 04:30 AM
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Posts: 7,780 central ala,
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I live in northern Walton Co. Florida. We have lots of coyotes, see em all the time, but we also have LOTS of deer. The coyotes are not your main problem, it's the liberal doe harvest regs in Alabama. HeRe we have had 7 doe days for years, this year we have 8. The only difference between us and you is the huge difference in the number of days that does are allowed to be harvested. On my Alabama property the deer population has plummeted over the last 8 years, here in Florida the deer population has remained steady. Now for the first time here in Florida,we have antler restrictions. No spikes or 4 pointers can be harvested except by youth. We have plenty of deer, nice bucks, and we will soon have more older bucks since most of the 1 1/2 year old bucks are now off limits.I am impressed by how the FWC is managing our deer herd here but in AlaBama I wonder if the state is doing anything to manage the herd other than taking a complete hands off approach.Less regs can be better but I put zero confidence in everybody man aging their trigger finger. That, obviously IS NOT wor king in areas of Alabama. THE DOE HARVEST NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN PARTS OF ALABAMA, PERIOD!
Coyotes + liberal doe harvest= less deer I always read your post for 2 reasons: 1). Intelligent written, fact based material, 2). I am close and familiar with the area you hunt. But I disagree with the do harvest being the major factor. Yes, its a factor and should be addressed, but coyotes hunt and kill 24/7. Where they really hammer deer in your area is late August and September when fawns hit the ground. They may kill a few grown deer through the year but most fawns aren't getting to be grown deer in this county. If we knew the true mortality from coyotes to hunters to hit by cars and so on I believe coyotes would equal or surpass all others combined. Maybe the collared deer research will give us some insight to what's going on but that may still be too site specific. But some factual info is better than none.
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: WhiteCityHunter]
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11/23/14 04:33 AM
11/23/14 04:33 AM
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Posts: 8,377 Gulfcrest
bigt
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I live in northern Walton Co. Florida. We have lots of coyotes, see em all the time, but we also have LOTS of deer. The coyotes are not your main problem, it's the liberal doe harvest regs in Alabama. HeRe we have had 7 doe days for years, this year we have 8. The only difference between us and you is the huge difference in the number of days that does are allowed to be harvested. On my Alabama property the deer population has plummeted over the last 8 years, here in Florida the deer population has remained steady. Now for the first time here in Florida,we have antler restrictions. No spikes or 4 pointers can be harvested except by youth. We have plenty of deer, nice bucks, and we will soon have more older bucks since most of the 1 1/2 year old bucks are now off limits.I am impressed by how the FWC is managing our deer herd here but in AlaBama I wonder if the state is doing anything to manage the herd other than taking a complete hands off approach.Less regs can be better but I put zero confidence in everybody man aging their trigger finger. That, obviously IS NOT wor king in areas of Alabama. THE DOE HARVEST NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN PARTS OF ALABAMA, PERIOD!
Coyotes + liberal doe harvest= less deer What he said....
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: centralala]
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11/23/14 04:34 AM
11/23/14 04:34 AM
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Posts: 9,795 North Jackson
ridgestalker
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I live in northern Walton Co. Florida. We have lots of coyotes, see em all the time, but we also have LOTS of deer. The coyotes are not your main problem, it's the liberal doe harvest regs in Alabama. HeRe we have had 7 doe days for years, this year we have 8. The only difference between us and you is the huge difference in the number of days that does are allowed to be harvested. On my Alabama property the deer population has plummeted over the last 8 years, here in Florida the deer population has remained steady. Now for the first time here in Florida,we have antler restrictions. No spikes or 4 pointers can be harvested except by youth. We have plenty of deer, nice bucks, and we will soon have more older bucks since most of the 1 1/2 year old bucks are now off limits.I am impressed by how the FWC is managing our deer herd here but in AlaBama I wonder if the state is doing anything to manage the herd other than taking a complete hands off approach.Less regs can be better but I put zero confidence in everybody man aging their trigger finger. That, obviously IS NOT wor king in areas of Alabama. THE DOE HARVEST NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN PARTS OF ALABAMA, PERIOD!
Coyotes + liberal doe harvest= less deer I always read your post for 2 reasons: 1). Intelligent written, fact based material, 2). I am close and familiar with the area you hunt. But I disagree with the do harvest being the major factor. Yes, its a factor and should be addressed, but coyotes hunt and kill 24/7. Where they really hammer deer in your area is late August and September when fawns hit the ground. They may kill a few grown deer through the year but most fawns aren't getting to be grown deer in this county. If we knew the true mortality from coyotes to hunters to hit by cars and so on I believe coyotes would equal or surpass all others combined. Maybe the collared deer research will give us some insight to what's going on but that may still be too site specific. But some factual info is better than none. I think Ga did a study and they lost around 60% to coyote alone.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: TR62]
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11/23/14 04:37 AM
11/23/14 04:37 AM
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Posts: 12,481 Pike County, AL
Fuzzy_Bunny
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Sprinkle this on your gut piles at your club. Or mix it in some dog food close to where you have the yotes on cam. DONT get it on your hands. Using this to kill Coyotes is a violation of Federal law, and just a plain stupid idea. It will kill whatever eats it, is toxic to fish, and can contaminate the ground water. Golden Malrin is a good fly bait, but people using it, or telling people to use it for things like killing coyotes on public forums is what will get it taken off the market or have its use restricted so the public can no longer get it. Learn to trap and call and thin the coyote population the right way. It is a year round job.
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: Teacher One]
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11/23/14 04:44 AM
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Posts: 32,451 North Alabama
YEKRUT
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Yotes ain't the problem, people are.
Some men are mere hunters; others are turkey hunters. —Archibald Rutledge—
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Re: Houston, We have a PROBLEM
[Re: YEKRUT]
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11/23/14 04:49 AM
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Posts: 8,377 Gulfcrest
bigt
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Yotes ain't the problem, people are. I would say it is a combination of both....
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