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Re: Question for the timber folks
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#1131968
10/31/14 03:50 PM
10/31/14 03:50 PM
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Put a camera up on the entrance exit. Not saying they would but I know folks who caught loggers slipping loads out and not getting paid on them.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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10/31/14 04:30 PM
10/31/14 04:30 PM
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I probably am Rebelman, but I feel like I've got a pretty good handle on this, but can't help from feeling like there is something I should be doing while they are actually cutting the place.To answer your questions:
-Clear cut
-We are getting paid on tonnage, and I have the price schedule for ply logs, poles, pulp, etc...
-Yes the boundaries are established. I am only dealing with 90 acres, and the whole place is getting cut with the exception of the SMZs.
-I have not taken pictures of the roads, but there really isn't much to take pictures of. The place was let go for a long time, and if it wasn't for me stepping in nothing would ever be done with it. We are way late on cutting the place, and it doesn't look like there ever was much of a road system on it.
-You will have to fill me in on what a performance deposit is. This and the road thing are the kind of stuff I was looking for.
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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#1132011
10/31/14 04:40 PM
10/31/14 04:40 PM
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Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 14,587 Tuscaloosa Co.
N2TRKYS
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The best thing to have done is a lump sum. Good luck.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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#1132041
10/31/14 06:02 PM
10/31/14 06:02 PM
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Posts: 21,781 USA
Remington270
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The best thing to have done is a lump sum. Good luck. I totally agree. A family member just signed a contract to cut timber and already has te check in hand for the clear cut. To me, it's up to them to estimate tonnage and give you a fair price upfront. If you're counting on them to give you a load count with tonnage, I'd be nervous.
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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10/31/14 06:06 PM
10/31/14 06:06 PM
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Posts: 20,017 PDL, Fl
timbercruiser
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I disagree on the lump sum method, timber people have lost their butts on lump sum sales so much they are very conservative on their cruises, lot of factors go into the final price. One thing, most companies don't have $150,000 or so they can write a check for on a sale. They have to borrow the money and the interest comes off of the sale price. With a well structured contract on a per ton price, using a honest buyer/logger is better. The contract should have had any concerns written into it. Visit the sale area as often as possible, have a neighbor or friend stop by. If you put a camera on the road make the time between pictures just a few seconds or you might miss two trucks going out together.
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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11/01/14 02:35 AM
11/01/14 02:35 AM
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There is a lot of ifs that get most folks. Most folks won't be able to be there all the time. Most folks won't know if the buyer/logger is honest or not until it's too late. Most folks only have enough land to get screwed once. If you know how much is out there, then you know if their lump sum price is good or not. Do what you want, but piece of mind is worth a lot, too.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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11/01/14 02:49 AM
11/01/14 02:49 AM
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If I were pulling off a once in a lifetime cut I believe I'd hire a trusted friend or family member that's retired and I'd rotate days with them counting loads. Pay them $100 a day to piddle around and count loads would be well worth it at the end of the cut. But thats just me.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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11/01/14 03:15 AM
11/01/14 03:15 AM
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If I were pulling off a once in a lifetime cut I believe I'd hire a trusted friend or family member that's retired and I'd rotate days with them counting loads. Pay them $100 a day to piddle around and count loads would be well worth it at the end of the cut. But thats just me. x1000
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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#1132205
11/01/14 04:15 AM
11/01/14 04:15 AM
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Posts: 7,881 Monroe County, AL
deadeye
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Deal with a reputable, established company. I sell most of ours by the ton. You will get paid once a week till they finish. Get the scale tickets and check their math on each check. Check on them daily and make SURE they are merchandising the timber correctly (logs vs paper wood vs poles. etc). Make sure the SMZs and property lines are flagged to your satisfaction. Make sure they own or have access to a dozier and properly close out the roads with water bars/turnouts. If you plan on replanting tell them to keep the tops/debris concentrated near the loading ramp so you can spot rake it in piles and burn it. If you have a tract they can cut when it's wet that's probably when they will cut it - make sure they don't make a mess of it. The crew has a book where they log in loads each day - ask to see it when you check on them. Good loggers are honest, hard working folks who want to please. My pet peeve is they ALL want to build a fire in the morning and I don't allow that on our place at all. I am also intolerant about trash and firearms (rifles) in the trucks.
Prices can vary a WHOLE lot during the year depending on weather, demand, etc. Timing is VERY important in getting top prices. Don't just say I believe I need to cut some timber. Check on prices and see if they are trending up or down first.
Last edited by deadeye; 11/01/14 04:33 AM.
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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#1132241
11/01/14 05:08 AM
11/01/14 05:08 AM
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Posts: 20,017 PDL, Fl
timbercruiser
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I use to sell a lot of timber lump sum for clients in NW FL. One tract I sold I had estimated about $190,000 as the price. I had 6 bids, the first 5 were within $10,000 of my estimate and the last one I opened was $300,000. The old boy had an error in his bid, but he paid up and lost his butt. That was one of the worst mistakes I have seen, but I knew him and it tickled the crap out of me.
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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11/01/14 05:23 AM
11/01/14 05:23 AM
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Posts: 14,587 Tuscaloosa Co.
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Another thing to remember about a pay per load cut is that the prices fluctuate. They could go up or down based on hauling cost or the amount the mills are paying. If you can get a mill to lock you in for the whole track, then more power to you. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Question for the timber folks
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#1132296
11/01/14 06:51 AM
11/01/14 06:51 AM
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Posts: 11,346 Kennedy, al
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I don't do lump-sum bids. I want to be paid for what I have, nothing more, nothing less. I always sell on a per-ton basis, but I always stay with the logger too. Yeah, your kinda late asking any questions though. If its not already in the contract, then it doesn't matter what you learn here. Good luck. Selling timber is exciting! Gives me a rush!
Everything woke turns to shucks
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