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Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 #1131562
10/31/14 07:22 AM
10/31/14 07:22 AM
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Chelsea, AL
straycat Offline OP
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Understanding the issues we vote on is very important. I know there are mixed reviews on Am 3 and Am 5 on this forum. Some good information has already been provided along with some not so good information...and perhaps some knee-jerk reactions.

The Alabama Policy Institute, a very conservative policy think tank co-founded by Gary Palmer, has written some guides to all five amendments that will be on the ballot. Of particular interest to many of us on Aldeer are #3 and #5.

Read what they have to say. Gain some more understanding of the issues and why certain language has been revised. Then vote as you feel appropriate.

I am fully convinced after my own study, that the intentions of these amendments are good ones. I also think that the wording and language will do what is intended, and that is to add further protections to our rights and set a really high standard for any Alabama court to apply. Yet, we all know that Alabama legislation is often worded ineffectively, and that might be the case here too.

Don't follow the lead of others without fully doing your own due diligence on the issues. These two policy guides below do a good job in showing how a "yes" vote is a good thing. But study on your own and make up your own mind.

http://www.alabamapolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014-Amendment-3-GTI.pdf

http://www.alabamapolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/GTI-amendment-5.pdf


"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1131589
10/31/14 07:45 AM
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Montgomery / Luverne
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thumbup Good post. Thanks for the info

Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: crenshawco] #1131590
10/31/14 07:47 AM
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sellers, montgomery county
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thanks and amen. i'm voting yes ...


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Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1131608
10/31/14 08:11 AM
10/31/14 08:11 AM
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Huntsville AL
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Thanks!




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Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1131619
10/31/14 08:32 AM
10/31/14 08:32 AM
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Lincoln, Alabama
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Really appreciate the link.

Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1131751
10/31/14 11:31 AM
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Yes


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Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1134593
11/03/14 09:23 AM
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Dekalb County
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Vote "no" on # 3....my 2 cents. People will twist "good intentions" to accomodate their own agenda. We already have in place laws that cover the people that dont have the mental maturity to carry a weapon.


Go Hard or Go Home!
Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1134608
11/03/14 09:38 AM
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Seeing this link below and seeing who in the house and senate voted AGAINST letting we the people vote on it is very telling IMO.
Not a single vote against it with a R behind their name voted against it.
The ones on the list are some of the ones whos record is anti gun. If it was something that would have benefited the anti gun movement in the future... Dont ya think they would have voted for it? If they were against it, its probably in our favor.

The following state legislators voted against placing HB 8 on the ballot:[7][8]


Senate

Sen. Linda Coleman (D-20)
Sen. Vivian Davis Figures (D-33)
Sen. Quinton Ross (D-26)
Sen. Bobby Singleton (D-24)

House

Rep. George C. Bandy (D-83)
Rep. Boman (D-16)
Rep. Napoleon Bracy, Jr. (D-98)
Rep. Greg Burdine (D-1)
Rep. James E. Buskey (D-99)
Rep. Merika Coleman-Evans (D-57)
Rep. Juandalynn Givan (D-60)
Rep. Dexter Grimsley (D-85)
Rep. Alvin Holmes (D-78)
Rep. Ralph Howard (D-72)
Rep. Thomas E. Jackson (D-6)
Rep. John F. Knight (D-77)
Rep. Lawrence McAdory (D-56)
Rep. A.J. McCampbell (D-71)
Rep. Thad McClammy (D-76)
Rep. Mary Moore (D-59)
Rep. Oliver Robinson (D-58)
Rep. John W. Rogers Jr. (D-52)
Rep. Rod Scott (D-55)
Rep. Patricia Todd (D-54)
Rep. Pebblin Warren (D-82)


http://ballotpedia.org/Alabama_Right_to_Bear_Arms,_Amendment_3_%282014%29


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Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1134689
11/03/14 11:02 AM
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I will still vote no on both.

Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: charlie] #1134842
11/03/14 01:12 PM
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After more research today I'm going with Yes for both.


"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1134926
11/03/14 02:41 PM
11/03/14 02:41 PM
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chilton co.
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I dont like either even after reading the links..Definitely dont like 5 where it changes from "in accordance with law and regulations" to "subject to reasonable regulations"..Thats just another grey area to me.Whos the judge of these "reasonable regulations"? Will the regulations change from what they are now?If so whats gonna change and whos gonna decide on what changes?"In accordance with law and regulations" is pretty clear..know the laws,obide by them and theres no problem..I may not completely understand the amendment or something and if im not understanding it please enlighten me cause right now its no to both amendments for me.

Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1135033
11/03/14 04:03 PM
11/03/14 04:03 PM
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Chelsea, AL
straycat Offline OP
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Trox, right now hunting and fishing is subject to laws and regulations...even if unreasonable or overly restrictive one day under influence of antihunting groups. Inserting a reasonable requirement gives the courts a stricter standard to go by so oppressive or arbitrary laws could be struck down. If or when it might come to that...proactive positioning.

My take.


"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8

"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1135061
11/03/14 04:18 PM
11/03/14 04:18 PM
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Thanks cat! I'm all clear now how I am going to vote after going back and forth the other day.


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God Bless America!
Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1135082
11/03/14 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: straycat
Trox, right now hunting and fishing is subject to laws and regulations...even if unreasonable or overly restrictive one day under influence of antihunting groups. Inserting a reasonable requirement gives the courts a stricter standard to go by so oppressive or arbitrary laws could be struck down. If or when it might come to that...proactive positioning.

My take.



Hmmm...

Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1135159
11/03/14 05:14 PM
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If Alvin Holmes is against it, I'm automatically for it, and visa versa.

Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1135199
11/03/14 05:54 PM
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sellers, montgomery county
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there ya go ... ^


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Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1135218
11/03/14 06:23 PM
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Montgomery
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I don't know what everyone's views are but I just googled "Alabama amendments 2014" The conservative views are to vote NO on the "even" amendments (2,4,) and YES on the odds (1,3,5). After researching this for the last day or so, this is in line with my views.

Dr. B


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Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1135656
11/04/14 08:34 AM
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Enough Said....
Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: straycat] #1135662
11/04/14 08:40 AM
11/04/14 08:40 AM
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Fayette Co.
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I wish they would write these things where dumb rednecks like me could understand them and make em a little shorter.


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Re: Important information on Amendments #3 and #5 [Re: bamaeyedoc] #1135664
11/04/14 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: bamaeyedoc
I don't know what everyone's views are but I just googled "Alabama amendments 2014" The conservative views are to vote NO on the "even" amendments (2,4,) and YES on the odds (1,3,5). After researching this for the last day or so, this is in line with my views.

Dr. B


I agree 100% Dr. B. I took the time to read over these myself. No on even and yes on odd. That's my vote.


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