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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 05:57 AM
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Little White Lightning for breakfast??
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 06:04 AM
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the folks in our "club" are like that.......they'll put out a chit load of corn all over our property in all the WRONG places, then get pissed when we have almost ZERO deer on camera. we have at least 5 cameras out on 400+ acres at any given time. but they won't listen to me about where to put corn/cameras.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 06:20 AM
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Don't put out corn, and only have one camera, that i use sparingly, before season, after that i'll only check it, when i go in to hunt that area. People toting corn in, checking camera's every week, hell no wonder they don't kill anything. You can get away with that on the tv shows cause them some dumbass deer in the midwest.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 07:11 AM
10/29/14 07:11 AM
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Some people need to learn how to hunt for their advantage FIFY. Should have just stopped there.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: Clem]
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10/29/14 07:26 AM
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As much as I love to hunt but If the wind is wrong I ain't going. Period! Why chance getting winded when you can go back and hunt when the conditions are in your favor. And as far as corn goes to me A mature buck has enough sense to know that that corn isn't a natural food source in its territory. As much as it loves it and will eat it they will still approach it with extreme caution. And I agree with Ryano.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: jlbuc10]
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10/29/14 07:56 AM
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What's the difference to a deer eating out of a cut corn field, and a deer eating a 50lb bag of corn spread out in a field? Why would they not see corn as a natural food source if there are corn fields in the area? I don't think trophy rocks and salt licks are natural to the area, and I don't think anyone would argue that they attract mature bucks. I knew I should have worded my post better. There are no standing corn fields where I hunt within at least thirty miles. Also, if you hunt hardwoods and start feeding corn in September and stop the first of October then I would think they would figure that out and they would eat it only after legal hunting hours. Maybe I give an old mature swamp buck to much credit I don't know but I've been had by them many of times.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 08:04 AM
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If you are hunting a well managed piece of property and you see mature bucks on a semi regular basis, and then you feed them. You will still see mature bucks on a semi regular basis. If you hunt a poorly managed property that is pressured where you rarely see a mature buck, and then you feed them corn, you will still rarely see a mature buck. Corn doesnt majically make big mature deer step out in the daylight hours. IMO corn or no corn has a very miniscule effect on whether or not you are going to kill a mature buck this year.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 08:12 AM
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Real simple...said it for years...back when it wasn't 'cool' to poach deer over bait piles... But here goes... Deer move for 2 reasons, eat and make baby deer... We shoot them then btw... They dont go wandering around... Pouring bait out, on top of planting food plots which provides even more food...not gonna type out the arguments over food plots vs corn piles...but that provides a LOT more food... Deer eat 2-5 pounds a day, straight corn isnt good for deer, but they'll eat it...same thing for rye grass...fed a straight diet of either a deer will starve to death...
Anyway, when you provide LOTS of easy chow, available 24/7...and deer aint stupid...been dodging us many thousands of years...You take away the need for them to up browsing in search of food...what used to take them a few hours wandering around to fill their bellies, now takes a lot less...lot less movement, means fewer deer sightings...especially when pressured...
They come eat when you aint there...and you (we) aint hard to 'pattern'... Studies in places that do allow it show hunter harvests decline...and deer numbers go up...due to artificially provided chow ...reasons, some beside the fact the deer move less...You see fewer hunters every year, due to lease prices skyrocketing... Bait aint cheap so a lot of folks quit hunting...arguments over stand sites etc....kids get carted to boring shooting houses, to see the same does and occasional small buck at the same bait pile...unless someone smokes that small buck...cause of course... Im bored...he's a cull, and a WHOLE bunch of hunters cant do it in one area without the described... We have to many members, lets raise dues and cut folks... 'he has it out, so I have to... he has more out than me...I need more out...more food, less movement... Like I said...deer eat 2-5#s a day...Know a guy who puts out over 6000 pounds of corn a yr, by himself... Club has 4000 acres and 100 members...everybody puts out corn like crazy...Goodness knows how many tons of corn are poured out there... Ever seen 100+ ATVs head out for the evening hunt...and the daily at lunch, corn runs?... How much time, up and feeding does that take away vs natural up and browsing? BTW, nobody sees deer at that club...tons of tracks, tons of night pictures...its thick as a Vietnam Jungle, deer feed at night...Have NO reason to move in the daytime...to much food, to much pressure...Club has tremendous turnover every year...
Back in the 70's that same land turned out over 200 kills a year, and some freaking war horses ... Now they do good to kill 40....30 of which will be does...
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: Ryano]
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10/29/14 08:30 AM
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I think a buffet of corn will just make them eat it at night, but thats my opinion and nothing to back it up. I agree
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 08:44 AM
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Why feed corn when you can run them with a pack of dogs? Just messing with ya DW
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: shootnmiss]
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10/29/14 08:50 AM
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Why feed corn when you can run them with a pack of dogs? Just messing with ya DW That's right ray. That's what I'm talking about. Yea come on.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 09:29 AM
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Corn don't make deer move at night on places I hunt. If you know what you're doing, you can kill good deer because of it too. I don't care what somebody else's research says. I know what mine says and that's all that matters to me.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: shooters]
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10/29/14 10:17 AM
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100 people on 4000 acres sounds alittle to crowded too me! Thats what it had as of 2 yrs ago...he gets land lease cheap... Pockets rest...he lives on the place in a trailer with his wife...they hunt every day of deer season...Of course their the only ones there a lot of days of the week... Has a trailer park on it...Has to be a trailer with tie downs installed...says its a safety issue and his insurance requires it...Of course the water and sewage water bill is a set amount of $250.00 a year.... must be hooked up to his septic system...probably 30 trailers on it... ....seems he ALWAYS a trailer or 2 for sale...
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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10/29/14 10:24 AM
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Corn don't make deer move at night on places I hunt. If you know what you're doing, you can kill good deer because of it too. I don't care what somebody else's research says. I know what mine says and that's all that matters to me. I dont think it makes them move at night but I think if they have a corn pile available 24hrs a day then they will hit it mostly at night. I think they will move during the day but the corn pile aint the reason for them moving.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: Ryano]
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10/29/14 10:35 AM
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Corn don't make deer move at night on places I hunt. If you know what you're doing, you can kill good deer because of it too. I don't care what somebody else's research says. I know what mine says and that's all that matters to me. I dont think it makes them move at night but I think if they have a corn pile available 24hrs a day then they will hit it mostly at night. I think they will move during the day but the corn pile aint the reason for them moving. My point is, that they'll use it like any other food source. They don't always hit corn at night the same way they don't always hit foodplots and acorns at night. The pressure around the food source dictates the movement more than the type of food source.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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10/29/14 10:36 AM
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Corn don't make deer move at night on places I hunt. If you know what you're doing, you can kill good deer because of it too. I don't care what somebody else's research says. I know what mine says and that's all that matters to me. I dont think it makes them move at night but I think if they have a corn pile available 24hrs a day then they will hit it mostly at night. I think they will move during the day but the corn pile aint the reason for them moving. The pressure around the food source dictates the movement more than the type of food source.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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10/29/14 10:45 AM
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Corn don't make deer move at night on places I hunt. If you know what you're doing, you can kill good deer because of it too. I don't care what somebody else's research says. I know what mine says and that's all that matters to me. I dont think it makes them move at night but I think if they have a corn pile available 24hrs a day then they will hit it mostly at night. I think they will move during the day but the corn pile aint the reason for them moving. My point is, that they'll use it like any other food source. They don't always hit corn at night the same way they don't always hit foodplots and acorns at night. The pressure around the food source dictates the movement more than the type of food source. I would agree with that and thats the reason I stated "corn pile" as opposed to feeding station. If its a corn pile then it is either making whiskey or somebody is refreshing it and they dont like either.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 10:55 AM
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Can't believe no one's said it yet: CORN!
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: Ryano]
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10/29/14 11:04 AM
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I dont think it makes them move at night but I think if they have a corn pile available 24hrs a day then they will hit it mostly at night. Sure. And they will mostly hit a green field that is available to them 24hrs a day at night also. What's the difference? Why would corn make them nocturnal but not the green field?
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 11:10 AM
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food doesn't make them nocturnal, pressure makes them nocturnal
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: buzzard]
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10/29/14 02:03 PM
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food doesn't make them nocturnal, pressure makes them nocturnal Bingo!
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 02:20 PM
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my experience with corn is: My friend who hunts with me on a 1000 acre place feeds corn all the time continuously. I do not allow him to go on my areas to feed. As a result I kill more good deer than he does every year. If I hunt on one of his stands all I see is does and when he hunts on my stands he sees not as many does but sees some bucks. Feeding corn Ive found over the years will attract a lot of young deer and does. The mature bucks will eat at night and move on. Rarely will you see a mature buck in the daytime eating your corn. but what It will do is keep deer in the area. Only my observation.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: buzzard]
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10/29/14 02:37 PM
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food doesn't make them nocturnal, pressure makes them nocturnal I agree with this ^^^ but corn usually indicates hunting pressure. That is why there is a difference in baiting and feeding.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/29/14 03:18 PM
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From my 5 year QDMA study on 800 acres as of last year many posts here are pretty accurate and then some didn't pertain to the 800 I studied.
I had every natural source for the deer to utilize. I added the large and small food plots and bait piles. I had whole corn, food blocks, attractants, field corn on the cob etc. at the bait piles. I had 24 camera's spread around at bait piles, plots, creek crossings, rut trails, scrapes, path ways to bedding areas, power line crossings, white oak forests, clear cut edges etc.
One thing as mentioned before the #1 thing that trumps anything out there for deer is "hunger" The rut doesn't compare, it just makes bucks stupid and the deer more active racing around causing....... "hunger" I never used any cover scents, gloves etc. when doing any feeding or cam checking each Saturday for 5 years all year long. They still showed up and sometimes just hours since I was there.
If you stink naturally, smoke, drink alcohol, dog crap on your boots, fried food smell then expect to be had either hunting or just visiting briefly to the spot. 4 wheelers, vehicles exhaust and oil leaks don't help either and leave residual funk way after your gone.
I had deer at bait stations day or night at anytime of the year, 3-4 year old bucks were the oldest I estimated while studying. All the deer got used to the bait piles quickly and the doe doesn't give a crap what's up most of the time if not pressured so, if she smells like a walking restaurant to the others they'll follow and you know who will follow also (Mr. buck)
I'm giving info from the study I performed doing the QDMA test and didn't have any pressure on the herd like "Vietnam" as fore mentioned from another member. The "brown it's down" theory didn't exist and I hate that theory anyway. This may or may not mimic your given locations but, I had all that time to study the herd of over 40 deer not counting stranger bucks that wandered in during the rut or were (spikes) chased off from neighboring property looking for a new turf to call home.
There was 1250 acres around this 800 that was QDMA practiced and not a battlefield either full of hunters using that dreaded BID theory. It was hunted and Mature bucks 8pt and 5 years up were harvested giving me the obvious of why the younger 3=4 year old 6 and 8pts were what I observed.
The deer browsed regardless of what we put out there BUT, the 40 (not all together of course) always, several times in a 24 hour period would visit the food dumps or plots for a quick taste. Just like clockwork.
I'll post some of the junk I used and the plots. I'll dig up some of the deer pics as well. The bucks are not goliath like up North but, were good for GA deer anyway.
Put it out and they'll come when their ready and I saw deer regardless of wind, rain, cold or even sitting up/down wind.
Personal hygiene, sitting still, cover and concealment works. It won't if you have mega jokers rambling around, smoking, hollering, atv's, trucks etc. racing back and forth or hunters coffee'd up or geeked up + being impatient.
I could've killed mega deer over corn there's no doubt about it.
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/30/14 03:56 PM
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Everyone has an opinion so here is mine:
The argument that feeding corn makes deer more nocturnal makes about as much as sense as Obamacare....
Carry on
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: Avengedsevenfold]
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10/30/14 03:57 PM
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Everyone has an opinion so here is mine:
The argument that feeding corn makes deer more nocturnal makes about as much as sense as Obamacare....
Carry on Well...it is law now...
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: daniel white]
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10/30/14 04:02 PM
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Well then obviously we know you've always hunted without it. Good for you. It absolutely changes their behavior.
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10/30/14 11:31 PM
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food doesn't make them nocturnal, pressure makes them nocturnal I agree with this ^^^ but corn usually indicates hunting pressure. That is why there is a difference in baiting and feeding. Read this over and over until you really understand it..... THEN, you will 'get it'! )
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Re: Feeding Corn??
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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10/31/14 04:25 AM
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Baldwin, Alabama
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I agree with you... it has worked for me for years now in Florida. People can say what they want to, but i know that if we dont feed and everyone else is around us is, then we lose alot of our deer to them. We have to keep the doe's or we want have the bucks cause they will. I dont understand why it matters how a man kills his deer. over a corn pile, running dogs, or still hunting. Just hunt the way you want to and and dont worry about what the other fellows are doing. I have killed alot of deer in my life and aint through yet. Just enjoy it, whatever way you put 1 down.
Live everyday like its your last
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