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Is there anything farmers use on peanuts that would kill fish? Water runs off a field close to my house through the woods and into my pond. when we got the big rain last week my pond went from being a couple feet low to full. of course it's muddy but that happens everytime we get a big rain. They dug the peanuts about 2 weeks ago.
It's just killing the bream ( and 2 small carp) probably 40 so far but hard to tell because the big egrets keep eating them. I saw one catfish swimming on top but none dead. No bass have died. I turned the well on to pump some water in to try and aerate it yesterday morning but I have more dead ones today.

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Very likely!


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117536
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Just checked some bass dead and one catfish. Whatever it is damage is done

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Fertilizer getting in there, quick ph change, maybe?

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Why would they put anything on a field they just picked? Didn't know if any farmers here knew normal peanut practices

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May be residual fertilizer, pesticide or herbicide.

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With heavy rains a lot of ponds turn over also. I don't know the details of why but I know of several ponds that were great that turned over and had a big kill off after a drought spell followed by heavy rain

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Could be that the big rains are causing the pond to turn over.


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: BIG-AL] #1117592
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probably big rain causing an overturn.

read this article http://fishing.about.com/od/fishfacts/a/fishkills.htm

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Overturns can lead to oxygen depletion fish kills. During summer, water in a pond will become stratified (form layers), with warmer water in the upper level and the colder water near the pond bottom. This stratification is particularly severe in ponds with dense growths of blue-green or “scum” algae on the surface. The colder water may become oxygen-deficient due to interaction with certain elements in the pond bottom and lack of photosynthesis by phytoplankton at greater depths.

An overturning or mixing of this colder, oxygen-deficient water may occur after a heavy rainfall. If the rainfall is of sufficient quantity, it produces a mixing of the pond water as the cold rainwater sinks to the pond bottom. It displaces the oxygen-poor water, which mixes with the water in the upper levels of the pond. The result is a fish kill due to insufficient oxygen in the water.


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117617
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There is very little that we spray on peanuts that would kill fish like that. The last thing sprayed any time soon was probably a fungicide or something for leaf spot control and it was probably last sprayed about a month before digging. The influx of sediment is the mostly likely caught binding the oxygen in the water or causing the pond to turn over.

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: Skinny] #1117619
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Originally Posted By: Skinny
probably big rain causing an overturn.

read this article http://fishing.about.com/od/fishfacts/a/fishkills.htm

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Overturns can lead to oxygen depletion fish kills. During summer, water in a pond will become stratified (form layers), with warmer water in the upper level and the colder water near the pond bottom. This stratification is particularly severe in ponds with dense growths of blue-green or “scum” algae on the surface. The colder water may become oxygen-deficient due to interaction with certain elements in the pond bottom and lack of photosynthesis by phytoplankton at greater depths.

An overturning or mixing of this colder, oxygen-deficient water may occur after a heavy rainfall. If the rainfall is of sufficient quantity, it produces a mixing of the pond water as the cold rainwater sinks to the pond bottom. It displaces the oxygen-poor water, which mixes with the water in the upper levels of the pond. The result is a fish kill due to insufficient oxygen in the water.


This is very common, and what my money is on.

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117632
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No not peanuts, and not this time of year around harvest time. Now how about top soil run off that will choke a pond out bad.


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117646
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Thanks skinny, never heard of that. I get major runoff about 1-3 times a year and never had this happen. Better than some kind of chemical

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117661
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The big catfish operations out near Uniontown have devices in their ponds or circulating engineering that prevent the water from becoming stratified in the late Summer because its really easy to happen after big rain events.


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117688
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Yep, it turned over. Low dissolved oxygen is why you saw the catfish swimming on top.

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Any chance they sprayed malathon or something for army worms or some other pest. Or somebody baiting deer with corn that has malathon on it? A couple of ounces of malathon will kill about everything in a pond.

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We stuck a Bush hog in one that had turned and let it run all day. All we he could think of at the moment. I think it helped

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If the fish are swimming to the top and staying there then it seems you have a low dissolved oxygen problem. Get a do meter and check it I'd start there, if that's it let me know and I'll try to help


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Just seen all the dissolved o2 replies, guess I should read into the thread more... carry on


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If it is low oxygen due to turnover, you can minimize this with an overflow drain that siphons the water off the bottom of the pond. Read the link below. About 3/4 the way through the article is a section called water control structures. There is a diagram showing a siphoning overflow. You basically put a bigger pipe over the drain pipe so that any water that goes to the overflow has to come up from the bottom of the pond.

http://msucares.com/wildfish/fisheries/farmpond/building/construction.html


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Well no buzzards or egrets around the pond this morning! I picked up the dead ones yesterday afternooon and didnt have any this morning. I have a 2.5" pvc pipe ran from a spare well I use to put water in during long dry spells. I put an extra 10' on it so the end would hang down into the water a few feet. It just gravity feeds from well with no pressure,( tank by passsed.) I drilled a hole in the top of the pipe close to the well so it would suck air in and mix on the way down. worked great,! Water was bubbling and churning like a small out board was running. Thanks for the help guys.

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I understand your reaction to farmers at first but with EWG and liberal media today everyone please think before blaming chemicals or farming until all other variables are removed! Glad you're pond is ok now.


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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
I understand your reaction to farmers at first but with EWG and liberal media today everyone please think before blaming chemicals or farming until all other variables are removed! Glad you're pond is ok now.


Because we know that they've got their priorities in order and are making sure that all chemicals and other things being used are completely safe with no effects to humans or the environment rather than their pocket book. I see it right the opposite the chemicals and methods being used to grow peoples food should be scrutinized and held to the highest level of safety.

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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
I understand your reaction to farmers at first but with EWG and liberal media today everyone please think before blaming chemicals or farming until all other variables are removed! Glad you're pond is ok now.

I couldn't agree more Good post

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Originally Posted By: ghost rabbit
Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
I understand your reaction to farmers at first but with EWG and liberal media today everyone please think before blaming chemicals or farming until all other variables are removed! Glad you're pond is ok now.


Because we know that they've got their priorities in order and are making sure that all chemicals and other things being used are completely safe with no effects to humans or the environment rather than their pocket book. I see it right the opposite the chemicals and methods being used to grow peoples food should be scrutinized and held to the highest level of safety.

I could not disagree with you more. Sure there are a few out there still that throw caution to the winds and disregard the chemical warnings but most now days are thinking about the environment more than ever. Sounds like you would rather get your food from china where most of the fertilizer they use is from human waste or maybe Brazil where they still use all the chemicals that have been banned here. As for me and I hope most of the folks on here, I hope support the American farmer that produces the most abundant and safest food in the world

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I'm not looking to start a farming debate especially with farmers or salesmen to farmers. I believe that 257s comment was backwards from the way we should look at the products that effect human well being and health. There are plenty of countries that ban chemicals and methods that are being used here. So looking at the bottom countries to justify what we do here doesn't mean anything. Just because there are worse doesn't mean what you're doing is good.

Freezenh2o I hope you've found and fixed your problem

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GR sir you are about as misinformed as one can be. Our food standards are so superior to foreign countries. Majority of the fruit comes from Mexico or S America where they still products that have been banned in the usa for years. Please inform yourself before speaking.


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I'll continue to be misinformed. We may be superior to "some" countries but we have plenty of practices in our country that are banned and don't take place in other countries. Here are different articles discussing such. While I don't claim to agree with everything in all these articles there is plenty of information out there that people are being "misinformed" on

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/05/29/dangerous-food-practices.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...-livestock.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/04/29/pesticide-exposure.aspx

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176863/twenty-six-countries-ban-gmos-why-wont-us

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/07/30/animal-feed-antibiotics.aspx

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I guess you voted for Obama too since you believe everything you hear. How's that working out for ya?


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Great come back it really solidifies your stance. I guess I should believe a person that makes his living in such areas that has a reason to be much biased on the issue over the multitude of information one can find on these issues. I hate Barack Obama.

You remind me of men in a bible story on issues such as these. I'll leave this subject with these scriptures.

Acts 19

21 After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying, After I have been there, I must also see Rome.

22 So he sent into Macedonia two of them that ministered unto him, Timotheus and Erastus; but he himself stayed in Asia for a season.

23 And the same time there arose no small stir about that way.

24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;

25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.

26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.




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Freeznh2o,

It may have been the influx of freshwater that caused the turnover. But keep in mind that all ponds turn over naturally 2 times a year during spring and fall due to temperature changes. It may not always deplete the oxygen enough to where you see dead fish, but it is happening.

Check out pond/lake stratification or thermal stratification.

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Didn't mean to insinuate poor farming practices. I have had major runoff many times but never dead fish. Please excuse my ignorance on the subject. I am much more knowledgeable now. I have family and friends that bring their kids over to fish so I was really concerned what was causing it. As far as the pond goes all seems good. Threw out some feed before dark and they were eating it. Thanks again for the input and well wishes.

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