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runoff from peanut field killing my bream? #1117503
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Is there anything farmers use on peanuts that would kill fish? Water runs off a field close to my house through the woods and into my pond. when we got the big rain last week my pond went from being a couple feet low to full. of course it's muddy but that happens everytime we get a big rain. They dug the peanuts about 2 weeks ago.
It's just killing the bream ( and 2 small carp) probably 40 so far but hard to tell because the big egrets keep eating them. I saw one catfish swimming on top but none dead. No bass have died. I turned the well on to pump some water in to try and aerate it yesterday morning but I have more dead ones today.

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117505
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Very likely!


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117536
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Just checked some bass dead and one catfish. Whatever it is damage is done

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117546
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Fertilizer getting in there, quick ph change, maybe?

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117554
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Why would they put anything on a field they just picked? Didn't know if any farmers here knew normal peanut practices

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117566
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May be residual fertilizer, pesticide or herbicide.

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117586
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With heavy rains a lot of ponds turn over also. I don't know the details of why but I know of several ponds that were great that turned over and had a big kill off after a drought spell followed by heavy rain

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Could be that the big rains are causing the pond to turn over.


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: BIG-AL] #1117592
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probably big rain causing an overturn.

read this article http://fishing.about.com/od/fishfacts/a/fishkills.htm

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Overturns can lead to oxygen depletion fish kills. During summer, water in a pond will become stratified (form layers), with warmer water in the upper level and the colder water near the pond bottom. This stratification is particularly severe in ponds with dense growths of blue-green or “scum” algae on the surface. The colder water may become oxygen-deficient due to interaction with certain elements in the pond bottom and lack of photosynthesis by phytoplankton at greater depths.

An overturning or mixing of this colder, oxygen-deficient water may occur after a heavy rainfall. If the rainfall is of sufficient quantity, it produces a mixing of the pond water as the cold rainwater sinks to the pond bottom. It displaces the oxygen-poor water, which mixes with the water in the upper levels of the pond. The result is a fish kill due to insufficient oxygen in the water.


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117617
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There is very little that we spray on peanuts that would kill fish like that. The last thing sprayed any time soon was probably a fungicide or something for leaf spot control and it was probably last sprayed about a month before digging. The influx of sediment is the mostly likely caught binding the oxygen in the water or causing the pond to turn over.

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: Skinny] #1117619
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Originally Posted By: Skinny
probably big rain causing an overturn.

read this article http://fishing.about.com/od/fishfacts/a/fishkills.htm

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Overturns can lead to oxygen depletion fish kills. During summer, water in a pond will become stratified (form layers), with warmer water in the upper level and the colder water near the pond bottom. This stratification is particularly severe in ponds with dense growths of blue-green or “scum” algae on the surface. The colder water may become oxygen-deficient due to interaction with certain elements in the pond bottom and lack of photosynthesis by phytoplankton at greater depths.

An overturning or mixing of this colder, oxygen-deficient water may occur after a heavy rainfall. If the rainfall is of sufficient quantity, it produces a mixing of the pond water as the cold rainwater sinks to the pond bottom. It displaces the oxygen-poor water, which mixes with the water in the upper levels of the pond. The result is a fish kill due to insufficient oxygen in the water.


This is very common, and what my money is on.

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117632
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No not peanuts, and not this time of year around harvest time. Now how about top soil run off that will choke a pond out bad.


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117646
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Thanks skinny, never heard of that. I get major runoff about 1-3 times a year and never had this happen. Better than some kind of chemical

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117661
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The big catfish operations out near Uniontown have devices in their ponds or circulating engineering that prevent the water from becoming stratified in the late Summer because its really easy to happen after big rain events.


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117688
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Yep, it turned over. Low dissolved oxygen is why you saw the catfish swimming on top.

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Any chance they sprayed malathon or something for army worms or some other pest. Or somebody baiting deer with corn that has malathon on it? A couple of ounces of malathon will kill about everything in a pond.

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117712
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We stuck a Bush hog in one that had turned and let it run all day. All we he could think of at the moment. I think it helped

Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117859
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If the fish are swimming to the top and staying there then it seems you have a low dissolved oxygen problem. Get a do meter and check it I'd start there, if that's it let me know and I'll try to help


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1117861
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Just seen all the dissolved o2 replies, guess I should read into the thread more... carry on


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Re: runoff from peanut field killing my bream? [Re: frezznh2o] #1118217
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If it is low oxygen due to turnover, you can minimize this with an overflow drain that siphons the water off the bottom of the pond. Read the link below. About 3/4 the way through the article is a section called water control structures. There is a diagram showing a siphoning overflow. You basically put a bigger pipe over the drain pipe so that any water that goes to the overflow has to come up from the bottom of the pond.

http://msucares.com/wildfish/fisheries/farmpond/building/construction.html


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