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South AL Food plots
#1049588
08/20/14 04:31 AM
08/20/14 04:31 AM
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Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,230 Semmes, AL
HippieKiller
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Semmes, AL
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Just wondering what seed types/mixes you guys are using. Our place is primarily sandy soil gallberry flats (just like 80% of the bottom of AL). We have 6 plots averaging about 2 ½ acres each. We’ve always mixed rye/wheat/oat in the past. I’d like to use something with more nutritional value and that could actually draw some deer, not just sustain them. We’ve failed miserably with small attempts at clover and I was considering cutting the rye out and replacing with radishes/turnips. Suggestions?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1049619
08/20/14 04:51 AM
08/20/14 04:51 AM
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Posts: 3,230 Semmes, AL
HippieKiller
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I considered swapping over to that Super Skunk that you Citronelle boys grow, but I don't think we could handle the browsing pressure.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1049892
08/20/14 08:38 AM
08/20/14 08:38 AM
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Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,978 South of 20/North of 10
North40R
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I've had good luck with the Australian winter peas mixed with oats then overseed with wheat/turnips/rape and kale.
Just remember our sandbeds don't grow anything without fertilizer.
Adopt the pace of nature, her secret is patience. Emerson
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: jpippin]
#1049897
08/20/14 08:43 AM
08/20/14 08:43 AM
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Posts: 578 Milton fl
Broken Arrow
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We have good luck with a mix of wheat , oat , Ebon rye. Add to it 2# Rape and 2# purple top turnip. We buy the feed wheat ,and feed oat to hold down cost. For small plot ,say .5 acre ,I would use 2 bags feed wheat , 1/2 bag feed oats ,1 bag of Ebon rye OR Wrens Abruzzi . If you don't have many plots to do or if the cost ant that important ,you could buy the bags of 3 way mix.( wheat , oat ,rye)
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1049901
08/20/14 08:46 AM
08/20/14 08:46 AM
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 5,650 Lincoln, Alabama
blumsden
12 point
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On sandy soils, you need to build up your OM, so it can hold moisture. First, if you disk, stop. You need biomass to build OM, and nothing does it any better than cereal rye. Throw in some oats and try crimson clover, and CNC like's yucchi, i'm going to try it this year. Pea's, will get decimated quickly, so if you plant them, don't expect them to last long. Increase your planting rates.
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: North40R]
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08/20/14 09:26 AM
08/20/14 09:26 AM
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Posts: 595 St. Clair, Alabama
Bucky205
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I've had good luck with the Australian winter peas mixed with oats then overseed with wheat/turnips/rape and kale.
Just remember our sandbeds don't grow anything without fertilizer. North, Where are you getting your Austrian Winter Pea, I can't find any locally?
"There are no easy days, not even yesterday"
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: slippinlipjr]
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08/20/14 09:31 AM
08/20/14 09:31 AM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,752
Awbarn, AL
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Is there a food plot in distress??? I have very sandy soil too so I feel your pain. Growing in poor soil conditions can be tough. What many folks ultimately lack as a result is good plant health and vigor. This is the missing link for many of us that keep our plots from being the magnet we want them to be. Plant health and vigor is ultimately tied to the health and fertility of the soil, although one can achieve plant vigor through adding lots of fertilizer……. but without also focusing on the basic principles of good soil health, then ultimately much of that fertilizer is wasted. The stuff costs way too much these days to allow half of it to wash down the ditch or not be able to be taken up by the plant due to nutrient imbalances. Sandy soils with low CEC values are just not capable of holding and delivering large amounts of fert. This is why working on improving your soil’s organic matter content becomes important. The CEC value of my base soil is around 4 ish…..the estimated CEC value of decomposing OM is around 150. Let me just stop there on soil health for now. I’d recommend using cereal rye as the majority of your mix…..75-100lbs per acre. It does much better on poor sandy soil’s than other cereal grains. Mix in some yuchi clover or some crimsons clover along with some purple top turnips. Concentrate on fixing the soil. Have you has a soil test done?
Last edited by CNC; 08/20/14 09:31 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1049962
08/20/14 09:35 AM
08/20/14 09:35 AM
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Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 10,331 coffee county
goodman_hunter
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Booner
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iron clay pea,s draw deer better than anything else in S.E. Al. But there not cold tolerant and will get deimated. Other than that there really isn't one seed that makes them come a runnin. So I feel that variety helps. Generly rye/wheat/oat then spread a little clover and radishes. sometimes turnip,kale,rape maybe a few sweet beats. I have planted diffrent plots using r/w/o and adding one or two of the other seeds. Couldnt tell were one had more browse than the other. So I am a fan of r/w/o with crimson clover. It cost way less. ferterlize prior to planting.
For without victory, there is no survival
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1050004
08/20/14 10:33 AM
08/20/14 10:33 AM
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Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,230 Semmes, AL
HippieKiller
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Good info.
Normally, I’ll turn the patches under a couple of weeks before we plant. Then we typically pour the 13-13-13 to it when disc’ing & planting. I’ll have balls deep green grass till December… and a light green rug by February.
And no, I haven’t done a soil test. I know I need to though. Are the test kits at Walmart worth buying?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1050022
08/20/14 11:06 AM
08/20/14 11:06 AM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,752 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Are the test kits at Walmart worth buying? I've never tried them but its only $7 or $8 to send one to the Auburn soil labs. That's what I'd recommend. Here is the link....... http://www.aces.edu/anr/soillab/
We dont rent pigs
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1050045
08/20/14 11:32 AM
08/20/14 11:32 AM
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Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 14,588 Tuscaloosa Co.
N2TRKYS
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I plant the same in South AL as I do in West AL. It's worked very well.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1050100
08/20/14 12:44 PM
08/20/14 12:44 PM
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Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 39,449 Marshall County
FurFlyin
Freak of Nature
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Cereal grains grown on well fertilized, pH adjusted plots, have all the protein a deer needs to do well in the winter. They also produce tons of forage per acre where some of the fu fu dust magic deer crap seed doesn't.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: South AL Food plots
[Re: HippieKiller]
#1050189
08/20/14 02:18 PM
08/20/14 02:18 PM
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Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 7,978 South of 20/North of 10
North40R
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Bucky I get mine at our local hardware store in Chatom.
The deer kept my fields grazed down but there were 30 and 40 head a night feeding in them and they lasted throughout the season.
Adopt the pace of nature, her secret is patience. Emerson
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