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Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
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08/15/14 12:24 PM
08/15/14 12:24 PM
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Well, I've just about given up trying to tune these 100 gr slick trick magnums with my Obsession Evolution. Consistently hitting 3-6" left at 30 yds. Shooting GT XT Hunters, 5575/400 spine, 27". Field points are pretty much dead on (I walk back tuned with them), but when I tried moving the rest to the right (yes, in very, very small increments) to bring the ST's back in, there was no change. Got to the point where it was obvious to the naked eye that the rest was too far to the right...ST's still hit left...so I put it back to where it was.
I've spun the arrows, changed BH to another arrow (same type) all with same results. No arrow/rest contact either. I know, I know, it's most likely my grip or form, but then again I try different things with the grip in between shots and they are still grouping together tight (but still 3-6" left of POA). I don't really want to move my sight out to the left because I feel it's just masking the problem.
Only thing I haven't tried is a weaker spined arrow...I remember seeing a chart that said BH's hitting left means arrow might be too stiff. Is it possible with 60lbs, 28" DL, 27" that the 400 spine is too stiff? Anything else I may have missed? Any other tuning that can be done to the bow?
2014 Obsession Evolution, 60/28, Stormy Hardwoods Gunmetal, Red cams QAD HDX Spot Hogg Tommy Hogg Scott Silverhorn 10" Beestinger
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/15/14 12:42 PM
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robinhedd
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400 spine sounds very stiff for 60lbs @ 27"
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/15/14 01:19 PM
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I've never had to adjust my sights or rest when going from field tips to broadhead. You sure there's not a slight wobble to your arrow/broadhead setup? Did you spin them in your hand?
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/15/14 01:22 PM
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I'm no expert, but u could try a 300.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
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08/15/14 01:26 PM
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I've never had to adjust my sights or rest when going from field tips to broadhead. You sure there's not a slight wobble to your arrow/broadhead setup? Did you spin them in your hand? Yes. I don't have one of the fancy "arrow spinners", but I did spin it like a top, as well as rolled the arrow on a flat surface and no wobble. Watched the guy at my pro shop cut the arrows and square them, so I feel confident this isn't the problem. Also swapped out arrows and BH's couple of times with same results. One thing I just discovered (on recommendation from a friend) was that my ATA and brace height were a little off. ATA was 32 3/8" (spec is 32"), and brace was 5 7/8" (spec 6"). I wonder if this could be a contributing cause
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/15/14 01:31 PM
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I've never had to adjust my sights or rest when going from field tips to broadhead. You sure there's not a slight wobble to your arrow/broadhead setup? Did you spin them in your hand? Yes. I don't have one of the fancy "arrow spinners", but I did spin it like a top, as well as rolled the arrow on a flat surface and no wobble. Watched the guy at my pro shop cut the arrows and square them, so I feel confident this isn't the problem. Also swapped out arrows and BH's couple of times with same results. One thing I just discovered (on recommendation from a friend) was that my ATA and brace height were a little off. ATA was 32 3/8" (spec is 32"), and brace was 5 7/8" (spec 6"). I wonder if this could be a contributing cause I would think that your field tips wouldn't fly correctly, if the ATA and brace height were the problem. Sometimes I have to tighten or loosen my broadhead to get it to spin smoothly in my hand. If yours spin in your hand without any felt wobble, then I don't know what your problem is. Sorry I can't help you. Good luck.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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08/15/14 01:34 PM
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[/quote]I would think that your field tips wouldn't fly correctly, if the ATA and brace height were the problem. Sometimes I have to tighten or loosen my broadhead to get it to spin smoothly in my hand. If yours spin in your hand without any felt wobble, then I don't know what your problem is. Sorry I can't help you. Good luck. [/quote]
You know that's a great point! Didn't think of that. I guess i'll go back and get maybe a 500 and a 340 spine arrow and see what happens
Last edited by Goldhill1; 08/15/14 01:35 PM.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
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08/15/14 01:38 PM
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I would think that your field tips wouldn't fly correctly, if the ATA and brace height were the problem. Sometimes I have to tighten or loosen my broadhead to get it to spin smoothly in my hand. If yours spin in your hand without any felt wobble, then I don't know what your problem is. Sorry I can't help you. Good luck. [/quote] You know that's a great point! Didn't think of that. I guess i'll go back and get maybe a 500 and a 340 spine arrow and see what happens [/quote] Btw, I shoot a 5575 GT Expedition Hunter out of my Hoyt 65lbs @ 28.5".
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/15/14 02:04 PM
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Have u shot through paper? If so how did the tear look?
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: clarkdeer]
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08/15/14 02:33 PM
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Have u shot through paper? If so how did the tear look? No, not yet anyway
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/15/14 03:07 PM
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Shaw
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Also are you left or right handed?
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
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08/15/14 03:21 PM
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Also are you left or right handed? Right handed. Thanks for the chart. Looks like step 4 and 5 were cut off at the bottom though. I'll try this over the weekend
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/15/14 03:23 PM
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Also are you left or right handed? Right handed. Thanks for the chart. Looks like step 4 and 5 were cut off at the bottom though. I'll try this over the weekend oops...never mind! I see them now
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/17/14 08:50 AM
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Not yet...taking it to the shop mon or tues. and have him check everything. I'll post when I find something out. 10-fo. Just curious.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/17/14 10:00 AM
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I would try a stiffer arrow on that evolution....I don't know why, but every bow that guy designs requires a stiffer arrow than what the charts say.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/17/14 02:37 PM
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Most of those charts are wrong anyway.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: foldemup]
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08/17/14 03:10 PM
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I would try a stiffer arrow on that evolution....I don't know why, but every bow that guy designs requires a stiffer arrow than what the charts say. I'll try that too, and report back. Thanks!
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/17/14 03:50 PM
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Most everything I've read on that bow has center shot being 13/16 inch from the riser with nock level
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/20/14 12:40 PM
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Your bad form should affect your field points, also.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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08/20/14 01:46 PM
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ok, took to the shop and the timing is all good. Apparantly, I was moving the rest in the wrong direction...
I read that if BH's are grouping LEFT of FP's, to move the REST to the RIGHT. Well, that was for a left handed shooter. Since I didn't know that he was a lefty, I was moving my rest to the RIGHT and making things worse, when I should have been moving it LEFT.
Went out to shoot today and try again, and my peep sight popped out after like the 5th shot..ugh! Left or right handed doesn't matter. Move your rest in the direction you want your broadhead group to move (towards your fp group). It's also going to move your field point group, but not as much. The key is to move in very small increments until your bh group catches up with your fp group. After that, adjust your sight to the point of impact. If none of that works, you are way off spine or have some severe inconsistencies in your form. CD.
Last edited by CD; 08/20/14 01:55 PM.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
[Re: Goldhill1]
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Something else to look at is your fletching. You may not be getting enough spin to stabilize the BH. With FP it is not as important because they don't try to wind plane. I have had this many years ago when the fad was to straight fletch. On a long shot you could watch the arrow swoop around. Still was consistent, but not something you could sight in. I went to longer vanes and helical fletch and fixed it.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
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I was shooting 3 inches to the right and 4 inches low with broadheads compared to FP, after days of frustration, figured out it was the QuikSpin fletching. I changed to regular Blazer vanes and fixed my problem. Crazy how fletching can change things up that drastically.
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Re: Tuning Slick Trick Mag's (frustrated!)
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Never have liked those quick spins. All I shoot is Blazers. And I never had any problems with Slick Tricks. Still shooting them and won't change as long as they are still available.
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