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Re: Magnum calibers?? [Re: Surefire1911] #1044015
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you guys that say any gun will do try this with your little 223 243 ect .. next time you got a nice buck quartering away and you got to put that bullet just in front of hind quarter or through the hind quarter to get to the sweet spot . pull the trigger and see how it works out .

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Originally Posted By: Frankie
you guys that say any gun will do try this with your little 223 243 ect .. next time you got a nice buck quartering away and you got to put that bullet just in front of hind quarter or through the hind quarter to get to the sweet spot . pull the trigger and see how it works out .

Bingo!!!

Re: Magnum calibers?? [Re: Red_Monkey] #1044020
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Red Monkey - That's not really why many people use magnum calibers. Of course if hit reasonable with most any caliber they are dead. Most people are aiming for more forgiveness, and the ability to anchor a deer on the spot when hit either at long range or slightly off from a CNS shot. If you are adjacent to a thicket and they run 80 yds you very well could lose a deer.

I've only killed deer with a 30-06 before, and I've never lost a deer. But I've ALMOST lost a deer after lung shots twice. They ran into some really thick stuff and I nearly lost the trail. It was simply a matter of the distance they ran, even though seconds after they sent out of sight they were dead.

I bought a 7mm mag and will try it out this year to see if (with proper bullet) it results in better blood and/or shorter trails (or DRT). Shoulder shots are always DRT with any centerfire but sometimes you don't get that option.


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Re: Magnum calibers?? [Re: M48scout] #1044021
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Originally Posted By: M48scout
Shoulder shots are always DRT with any centerfire but sometimes you don't get that option.



I disagree with this.

Like you say you have to damage the CNS for something to fall in its tracks. There are plenty of centerfire calibers, and bullets, that don't have enough energy to reliably do what you say. Plus you have to figure distance into this statement also.

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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
Originally Posted By: Red_Monkey
In the Alabama woods when ya hit'em in the right place with anything from a .223 and up and they are DEAD! If I'm wrong then prove it but you know I'm not. Deer are thin skinned, light boned game animals not 'dangerous' game with heavy muscle and heavy bones like a mature bull elk or the big bears.
But, if shooting a BIG magnum caliber makes you feel more macho then by all means load that heavy, hard kicking, muzzle blasting mother up and fire away!! That way you can tell your buddies you shoot a "fill in the blank" magnum when you deer hunt.
Dead is dead when ya hit'em in the right place, no horsechitt!!


What about GA or MS woods? Can I shoot one in MT? and since you are the expert, just how far am i shooting in these here AL woods? What kind of cover am I hunting in? What kind of exit wound am I getting with my .223 when I shoot one in the boiler room at 400 yards, and he runs 75 yards into a head high clear cut and dies? And why wouldn't I want to shoot a rifle that pushes the exact same bullet as a non-magnum, faster, flatter, with more energy, and lest wind drift?

If you hit any animal in the right place, and from a close enough distance, with anything from a .223 and up you will kill it. Elk and big bears even. No horeschit!!!

I shoot a magnum, and will continue to do so, but I have to admit that I am pretty macho, and make a distinct metal clinking sound as I walk.



I'm going to agree with monkey as I'm taking his post at face value.....in the "woods". In the woods to me means just that, a shot over 100yds would be very rare. Woods to me , does not mean what used to be woods and is now a pine clear cut in LA. A clear cut you can shoot 400 yards ain't woods. But if ya wanta tote a .50 cal in the "woods" have at it.



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Re: Magnum calibers?? [Re: Fuzzy_Bunny] #1044040
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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
Originally Posted By: M48scout
Shoulder shots are always DRT with any centerfire but sometimes you don't get that option.



I disagree with this.

Like you say you have to damage the CNS for something to fall in its tracks. There are plenty of centerfire calibers, and bullets, that don't have enough energy to reliably do what you say. Plus you have to figure distance into this statement also.


I'll agree with you - if you miss the spine on a high shoulder shot and don't have enough energy to "shock it", then yeah a smaller caliber won't drop it. I guess I was referring to successful high shoulder/base of neck spine shots.

Re: Magnum calibers?? [Re: Surefire1911] #1044048
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If we are using the term "woods" to assume thick cover and limiting shots to 100 yards (which is not how I use the term), I still fail to see where more power is a bad thing. I want a bullet to penetrate through a deer every time, especially in thick cover so I have a nice obvious blood trail to follow should I need it. More power equals better penetration.

I spend thousands to hunt deer each year, why would I want to limit myself when it comes to the capabilities of the rifle I am carrying? My magnum has killed them from less than 10 yards to a really long ways.

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Originally Posted By: M48scout
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Shoulder shots are always DRT with any centerfire but sometimes you don't get that option.



I disagree with this.

Like you say you have to damage the CNS for something to fall in its tracks. There are plenty of centerfire calibers, and bullets, that don't have enough energy to reliably do what you say. Plus you have to figure distance into this statement also.


I'll agree with you - if you miss the spine on a high shoulder shot and don't have enough energy to "shock it", then yeah a smaller caliber won't drop it. I guess I was referring to successful high shoulder/base of neck spine shots.


thumbup A high shoulder shot is tough for them to shake off

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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
Originally Posted By: M48scout
Shoulder shots are always DRT with any centerfire but sometimes you don't get that option.



I disagree with this.

Like you say you have to damage the CNS for something to fall in its tracks. There are plenty of centerfire calibers, and bullets, that don't have enough energy to reliably do what you say. Plus you have to figure distance into this statement also.


I'll agree with you - if you miss the spine on a high shoulder shot and don't have enough energy to "shock it", then yeah a smaller caliber won't drop it. I guess I was referring to successful high shoulder/base of neck spine shots.


thumbup A high shoulder shot is tough for them to shake off


dang right. That high shoulder is sorta my sweet spot. If I could find a deal on a 7mm or a .300 wm, I wouldn't mind having one just to have and maybe hunt with some.


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Re: Magnum calibers?? [Re: Frankie] #1044063
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Originally Posted By: Frankie
you guys that say any gun will do try this with your little 223 243 ect .. next time you got a nice buck quartering away and you got to put that bullet just in front of hind quarter or through the hind quarter to get to the sweet spot . pull the trigger and see how it works out .




I'm not taking that shot, regardless of the caliber rifle I'm toting.


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Re: Magnum calibers?? [Re: Surefire1911] #1044068
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I hear ya DW. I went from a 270 win to a 300 RUM, and it is incredible how much harder the 300 hits them in comparison.

I killed more than my fair share with my 270, and dropped most of them with shoulder shots, but the 300 just flat out puts them down like a ton of bricks when you put it in the shoulder.

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I watched my brother in law drop a 300 lb nebraska whitetail in his tracks at over 300 yards with a little ol .243. I'm pretty sure it's plenty for these pine goats.


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I watched a guy drop a 1,200lb steer with a 22lr.

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In fact, the rancher we were hunting on has a barn full of mule deer antlers and all were killed with a.243.

I don't own a smaller caliber so I'm not biased. I've had a.300 rum and it was a beast. ...... that kicked and cost $4 a round to shoot.

I never killed a deer more dead with it than any other rifle I own.

Smaller calibers loaded with the right bullet ate just as deadly on any angle as any other caliber.

That Berger blowed through both shoulders and jello the vitals. I was impressed.

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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
I watched a guy drop a 1,200lb steer with a 22lr.


rofl laugh


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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
If we are using the term "woods" to assume thick cover and limiting shots to 100 yards (which is not how I use the term), I still fail to see where more power is a bad thing. I want a bullet to penetrate through a deer every time, especially in thick cover so I have a nice obvious blood trail to follow should I need it. More power equals better penetration.

I spend thousands to hunt deer each year, why would I want to limit myself when it comes to the capabilities of the rifle I am carrying? My magnum has killed them from less than 10 yards to a really long ways.



I've never been in any woods I could shoot 300 - 400yds and beyond, MOF 100 is about as far as I've ever shot one in the "woods". And that has only happened twice and it was really large, mature hardwoods. What is your definition of "woods"? And what is the magnum limit for deer in woods, 300 mag, 338, 458, bigger?



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Originally Posted By: AlabamaSwamper
In fact, the rancher we were hunting on has a barn full of mule deer antlers and all were killed with a.243.

I don't own a smaller caliber so I'm not biased. I've had a.300 rum and it was a beast. ...... that kicked and cost $4 a round to shoot.

I never killed a deer more dead with it than any other rifle I own.

Smaller calibers loaded with the right bullet ate just as deadly on any angle as any other caliber.

That Berger blowed through both shoulders and jello the vitals. I was impressed.


There is nothing wrong with small or non-magnum calibers. I started off with a 257 Roberts, moved to a 270 win, then to a 300 Rum. and now a 264 win mag as my primary deer rifles, and have never had a trouble with not killing them; however my range and DRT shots have increased with the caliber I shoot. You can kill anything with any caliber under the right circumstances.

I prefer to carry a magnum as I feel it increases the circumstance under which I can make a kill. I spend a lot of money, and loose a lot of sleep every year to kill deer and want to be as effective as possible. $4/round ammo doesn't bother me, as that isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to everything else it takes to deer hunt.

To say that something isn't needed or overkill is comical to me, as I can't see where having more power is ever a hindrance.

Folks say it is macho or an expression of manliness to carry a magnum. I will counter that and say there are a lot of folks who shoot small calibers to drag about their marksmanship abilities smile

Edit: Oh yeah, and the guy I watched drop the 1,200 lb steer with the 22lr, had a freezer full of really good steaks rofl smile

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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
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you guys that say any gun will do try this with your little 223 243 ect .. next time you got a nice buck quartering away and you got to put that bullet just in front of hind quarter or through the hind quarter to get to the sweet spot . pull the trigger and see how it works out .




I'm not taking that shot, regardless of the caliber rifle I'm toting.



i will ever day of the week and twice on sunday .

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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
What is your definition of "woods"? And what is the magnum limit for deer in woods, 300 mag, 338, 458, bigger?


I refer to the "woods" as a place, where deer live and I hunt. To me that can be a clear cut, hardwood bottom, or pine plantation. I refer to the woods much like I would use the term city, which could be a park, neighborhood, industrial park, etc...

As far as magnum limit, I never said there was one. Shoot what you like. There are some on this board who shoot 338 Lapua Mags, and I say good for them. I'm certainly not going to say they are not needed, as their deer are just as dead as mine.

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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
What is your definition of "woods"? And what is the magnum limit for deer in woods, 300 mag, 338, 458, bigger?


I refer to the "woods" as a place, where deer live and I hunt. To me that can be a clear cut, hardwood bottom, or pine plantation. I refer to the woods much like I would use the term city, which could be a park, neighborhood, industrial park, etc...

As far as magnum limit, I never said there was one. Shoot what you like. There are some on this board who shoot 338 Lapua Mags, and I say good for them. I'm certainly not going to say they are not needed, as their deer are just as dead as mine.


OK, woods is all inclusive to you, any terra. When I'm in a bean field in the "woods" where I have 400yd+ shots I'll break out the 7mm short mag with a hubble telescope on top. When I'm in the "woods" woods I'll tote a .308 bush hog.



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