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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: DeerTracker] #102639
03/06/11 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: jiigbr
What is the dividing line for north and south zones?

I think it's gonna have to be Tennessee, to make everybody happy.


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: Out back] #102645
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Originally Posted By: Out back
Originally Posted By: jiigbr
What is the dividing line for north and south zones?

I think it's gonna have to be Tennessee, to make everybody happy.


you ASSume they can be made happy . lol

Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102656
03/06/11 05:27 AM
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If the season lasts any longer, I'm going to end up jobless and divorced....

Re: Change is Coming! [Re: Brent] #102662
03/06/11 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted By: Brent
Where will the line be drawn dickhead? I live an hour north of Birmingham and had a buck chasing a doe through the field in front of my house last Tuesday.


Richard Cranium sounds more polite. smile

Re: Change is Coming! [Re: mission] #102673
03/06/11 07:26 AM
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am i understanding this right? are there some forum members on here that are against extending the season?

Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102674
03/06/11 07:39 AM
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Put it on a ballot and let the hunters that purchase license decide...I vote statewide October 1-February 15, 3 bucks with a tagging system that can be either called in or done online. If you don't want to hunt any of the extra days, no one is gonna force you.


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102696
03/06/11 09:08 AM
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WHY!!! I thought all this Limits and Restrictions were gonna "balance" the herd in such a way that the rut would be earlier and more intense??? Who wants to wait until February and shoot a run down, poor, bruised up buck, with all his tines broken off, that has just survived an intense rut??
As for a split season, been there and done that, I would vote no. Whats the point of a split season.
But actually, just for me, I would just as soon it open when it gets cold enough to run in the mosquitos until they come back out again in the spring. Say from Nov. 1 until April 15th.


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102726
03/06/11 10:17 AM
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Fold'em, if it is put on a ballot ... non-hunters would have a say-so.

You really want someone who likes looking at that deer behind the pond but secretly hates seeing you go hunting, even though they're polite enough to not say anything, deciding anything about our hunting seasons?

If 82 percent of the voters approved Forever Wild 20 years ago, I wouldn't want to see the response for pushing hunting seasons longer or shifting them. It might be quite surprising to the hunting community.

As well, the retinue of goobers on THIS site alone is so fractured about "extending" or "shifting" or "drawing a line" about seasons ... going on about hunting "my" rut ad nauseum ... 49er squawking about the Legislature (funny how he's not here, but was during the season and now that the Legislature's in session he's ... gone. He must be busy.) ... the "evil" Conservation Advisory Board ain't worth a flip ... legalize baiting (with a stamp tax, no less) or you ain't a man and are only lazy if you're baiting ...

It goes on and on. This damn place is a like a Baptist sewing circle with one woman who got divorced, started going to Tunica and is banging the handsome 28-year old at the pharmacy but is the Kindergarten teacher everyone things is fantastic.

"OH MY GOSH! Did you hear! She's so ... so ... she's runnin' around! What do we do! You shouldn't do anything, she has a life! But she's around kids and is (whispering) sleeping with Billy! She's a good teacher and hasn't been any problem before. Why SHE went to TOONIKA! Arrggggh!!!"

If this site isn't together - and it's not - and the DCNR isn't together - and it's not - and the Advisory Board and Legislature aren't all together and everyone's trying to put a spoon in the pot ... we darn sure don't need the General Public voting on something like this.


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102732
03/06/11 10:40 AM
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It appears the legislature will be overtaking the biologist role of decision making for hunting seasons.

like I stated earlier be careful what you wish you just might get it


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102746
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It ain't about science or biology.

All of the incredibly important things our Legislature needs to be thinking about and they're diddling around with feeder permits and deer seasons.

Maybe one of them will have the guts and balls to publicly state that they have other things to take care of and the DCNR needs to handle these matters.


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"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013

"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
Re: Change is Coming! [Re: Clem] #102780
03/06/11 12:17 PM
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Well I see I successfully stirred things
up around here. smile

*************

It amazes me how many people in the northern
half of Alabama get so much heartburn over something
as simple as allowing their fellow citizens in the
southern half of the State to have the same thing
they already have. It is totally irrational. Heartburn.
Self righteous indignation. Slippery slopes. Ad
hominem abusives. Sky will fall. Protect the status quo.
We don't know how to draw a straight line. Even plants and fellow travelors posting for their buddies at the CAB and DCNR who just don't want change.

It is just plain ridiculous.

**************

Change is coming.
It may not happen this year, but
it will happen - and a lot sooner
than later.

Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102784
03/06/11 12:23 PM
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I'm not against an extended season, I'm more for a split season if biology supports it. Numerous past Spring Fetal Surveys will suffice in a biological consensus.


It also appears there will be another spring survey State wide to gather more info.



The legislature has no clue except political pressures from constituents, more money equals more political pressure, AND the more I listen to others in other States it seems no one is HAPPY with their hunting situation.

so


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: Out back] #102795
03/06/11 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Out back
Originally Posted By: burbank
Originally Posted By: Out back
I've heard the bill has a decent chance of passing with an addendum, anyone not living in the south zone will be required to purchase a non resident license to hunt in the south zone.


All joking aside...I think it has a good chance to pass.


Who is joking?
Have you not heard about the state's revenue shortfall?
You can bet the farm, it will generate revenue, or it won't pass.


Cause your post is a joke. The bill does not include language that would require a "north Al" resident buy a non resident licenses from what I understand. Correct me if I am wrong...

Re: Change is Coming! [Re: Clem] #102798
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Originally Posted By: Clem
It ain't about science or biology.

All of the incredibly important things our Legislature needs to be thinking about and they're diddling around with feeder permits and deer seasons.

Maybe one of them will have the guts and balls to publicly state that they have other things to take care of and the DCNR needs to handle these matters.



Now this is very true. It is a shame that the DNCR hasn't stepped up on these issues. A fetal survey should have been ordered years ago...

Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102801
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Quote:
Now this is very true. It is a shame that the DNCR hasn't stepped up on these issues. A fetal survey should have been ordered years ago...


they've been doing spring fetal surveys for numerous years, can't remember the exact rotation but it is how they came up with the average deer breeding date for Al, January 22 or so. From what I'm aware of it has not changed since the inception of the spring fetal survey

pretty sure one will be underway State wide this Spring

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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102805
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If the average for the state is the 22nd, then the S. AL needs a split season IMO.

Re: Change is Coming! [Re: burbank] #102817
03/06/11 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: burbank
If the average for the state is the 22nd, then the S. AL needs a split season IMO.


I'm not against that at all, a split to me would be nice and probably meaningful to you guys down south

the biologist just need to look at specific areas from data they already have and make a decision

keep the dang politicians at bay, please it's political enough as is


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102819
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just became a 12 point on this thread

laugh


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: WmHunter] #102830
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Fetal surveys have been ongoing for years.

Just because the DCNR doesn't publicize every single thing they do doesn't mean they're not doing things.


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Re: Change is Coming! [Re: burbank] #102877
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Originally Posted By: burbank
Originally Posted By: Clem
It ain't about science or biology.

All of the incredibly important things our Legislature needs to be thinking about and they're diddling around with feeder permits and deer seasons.

Maybe one of them will have the guts and balls to publicly state that they have other things to take care of and the DCNR needs to handle these matters.



Now this is very true. It is a shame that the DNCR hasn't stepped up on these issues. A fetal survey should have been ordered years ago...


Read this, http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/03/alabama_deer_study_leader_skep.html

Fetal surveys have been going on for a number of years, but obviuosly what people see or don't see in the woods should trump the biology. Also, as I recall there was a post on aldeer.com that showed average conception dates from fetal surveys done in NW Florida that did not support February conception dates, so apparently there is some isolated tiny sliver of south Alabama that has a totally separate species of whitetail deer that the biologist can't seem to locate, but warrants an extended season in February for rutting activity that can't be identified.


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