So does a god from a book dictate how you live or does Mother Nature? Please discuss.

You just haven't met Jesus yet. you may have grown up being made to read scripture but that's a completely different thing than knowing a personal Savior.

I know God, he talks to me and I talk to him, he shows me things to bless my life and things to make me grow spiritually, so that I can understand even more and benefit more.

I may have learned some things about Jesus from a book but he lives in me now and will always be there book or not. I've seen God's work in me and in others.

I will worship the creator rather than the creation.

What do you believe happens when you die, and how do you believe mother earth was put here?

So does a god from a book dictate how you live or does Mother Nature? Please discuss.

You just haven't met Jesus yet. you may have grown up being made to read scripture but that's a completely different thing than knowing a personal Savior.

I know God, he talks to me and I talk to him, he shows me things to bless my life and things to make me grow spiritually, so that I can understand even more and benefit more.

I may have learned some things about Jesus from a book but he lives in me now and will always be there book or not. I've seen God's work in me and in others.

I will worship the creator rather than the creation.

I believe when I die, I die. As far as the universe, I don't believe anyone farted it out.

My God (Jehovah) made what you are calling a god (sun, rain, mother nature). The Bible (book as you refer to it) tells me that there was nothing here before Gos spoke it into existance. I have no doubt that that's how it happened too.

One of the hardest things for a non-believer to do is to have faith in something they can't touch/see/hold/etc. Take the wind for example. You can't see it, hold it, touch it, etc. but there's no doubt it's there. Same with God. I have felt His presence in my life and have no doubt He's real. I also know, based on His word in the Bible, that I'll spend eternity with Him after I pass on from this life here on Earth - thanks to Jesus Christ dieing for me on the cross.

One thing I lack is mercy, and I'm working on that. If you decide to stay with "mother earth" as your god then that's your business and it won't affect me in the least. But for your sake I do hope you come to know Jesus as Lord and Savior before it's too late.

That must suck. And if no one farted it out how did it get here in your opinon?

I believe when I die, I die. As far as the universe, I don't believe anyone farted it out.

So does a god from a book dictate how you live or does Mother Nature? Please discuss.

You just haven't met Jesus yet. you may have grown up being made to read scripture but that's a completely different thing than knowing a personal Savior.

I know God, he talks to me and I talk to him, he shows me things to bless my life and things to make me grow spiritually, so that I can understand even more and benefit more.

I may have learned some things about Jesus from a book but he lives in me now and will always be there book or not. I've seen God's work in me and in others.

I will worship the creator rather than the creation.

But what other than a very old and VERY hand selected ( by the Diciples) book can make you believe that? You'll say faith I know, but what gives you such confidence that an old and many times changed book will give you eternal life? Do you want to live forever?

origins of the universe

How so? I'm all ears. Do you really believe that you will live eternal? What if you have regrets, will you want to live with them forever?

I've got to ask...where did you come up with the idea that the disciples selected the books of the Bible? Also, what changes are you referring to?

Great book, I'm not arguing just seeking an answer.

But what other than a very old and VERY hand selected ( by the Diciples) book can make you believe that? You'll say faith I know, but what gives you such confidence that an old and many times changed book will give you eternal life? Do you want to live forever?

Please discuss.

Are you serious? Lol, research anything about the bible, there are several books removed from the bible from Diciples, they didn't see the writing fit, and the Romans after Christianity became popular. Man there are books that have been "forgotten" about Jesus's lady friend.

So you have actually talked to god? And he spoke back? What did he sound like? Is there a particular time in your life where he did not speak back?. Sorry for all the questions.

I'm not talking about a book by that title. I'm asking how you think the earth was made since you apparently don't believe it was created and also, since you are a scientist by schooling, as am I, what makes you think that matter will trend towards order instead of towards chaos as the 2nd law of Thermodynamics states.

Bamabucks I am glad you felt like bringing this up here! If you think about it as far back as anyone could determine almost every civilization has always known in it's heart there was a god, a creator and protector. I think faith in Christ comes from knowledge about him and connecting him to that voice in our heart. I like you was always a logical thinker until Jesus used one of the worst times in my life to show me he was for real, cared and was there. Us Christians are our own worst enemies sometimes, thinking if we 'beat someone over the head with a Bible', like the way you were raised, they would put it all together. I am glad you asked and I will pray right now for Christ to reveal Himself to you and answer questions in your spirit that the mind can't comprehend. We are talking about the supernatural here, something every culture since the beginning of time somehow knew existed.

I honestly think we are here by luck not JUST thermodynamics. Heat passing to other colder masses may have obvious reactions but I don't think Christ did that. Do you believe we are the only human like species In The universe? I doubt as a scientist you do, now do you think that Christ is the the savior of other lifeforms? Or does an " alien" from 100,000,000 light years away still know Jesus Christ?

Very serious. You're just spouting stuff with nothing to support it. I've heard the argument that the Roman Catholic Church chose the books of the Bible, which isn't true either by the way, but not that the disciples chose the books. As far as books about "Jesus' lady friend" those come from gnostic writings that show up a couple of centuries after Christ. Have you done any research? If so, you'll find that the New Testament is the most verifiable ancient document around. If you dispute the validity of the New Testament then you must dispute the validity of anything written more than a couple of hundred years ago. Here's a link that goes into it a little deeper...just so I'm not guilty of spouting things without any support

http://www.str.org/articles/is-the-new-testament-text-reliable#.U9HE4PldW_g

Thanks bowfool, however I do not believe that Christ comes swooping In at the right time. Why didn't he save the day when my parents got a divorce after 30 years of marriage? I think it sums it up when football fans pray," please god let us beat this team"....really does god care who wins a football game?

Thanks bowfool, however I do not believe that Christ comes swooping In at the right time. Why didn't he save the day when my parents got a divorce after 30 years of marriage? I think it sums it up when football fans pray," please god let us beat this team"....really does god care who wins a football game?

Thanks bowfool, however I do not believe that Christ comes swooping In at the right time. Why didn't he save the day when my parents got a divorce after 30 years of marriage? I think it sums it up when football fans pray," please god let us beat this team"....really does god care who wins a football game?

God cares about you. He cared about your parents but he will not make you do anything. He couldn't make your parents stay together anymore than he can make you accept him. God can only fix whatever you give to him to fix.

See? You see? You say I am spouting off stuff with no evidence other than books and actual science, but you are also spouting stuff with no evidence except without the science. Do you have any real evidence that Jesus Christ existed other than writings from Romans? No you don't!

Do you have any real evidence that Jesus Christ existed other than writings from Romans? No you don't!

Since photography didn't exist during His life on Earth, all we have is first hand accounts of His physical existence on this planet and the actions witnessed countless people (including the disciples).

You are correct in stating that the Bible was written by men and the books that were canonized were selected for entry were chosen by men. Those are facts that are absolutely indisputable; however, that doesn't negate that those words aren't God's words or that He inspired those books to be selected.

I will attempt to explain my faith in the only way that I would know how to someone that doesn't believe, as poorly as this explanation might be - it's the best I can do. I cannot explain the happiness that I feel when I hear the distant sounds of children laughing and playing to a deaf person. Even if the children's words were written down - the deaf person would miss the moment. If I were standing next to a blind person watching the sunrise over the mountain - the blind person would feel the warmth of the sun, but miss the beauty of the event. I could attempt to put into words what the sunrise looked like, but the words that I chose would pale in comparison the actual sight of the sunrise.

So in a nutshell - even if the Bible didn't exist or if I was unable to see, read, feel, or hear his Word or his impact on other's lives. That would not make God or His Son any less real - it would simply mean that I hadn't experience Them. Because quite frankly, if there is nothing more to our existence than just this life - why struggle.

Don't get me wrong - I have a great life. Wonderful wife, great son, terrific family and friends, we are all healthy (to the best of my knowledge), good paying job,...etc. the list goes on. But if I live long enough - most if not all of those things will be taken away from me and all I would be left with was loneliness and emptiness. Except, that because of my absolute faith - I believe that I will never be alone and any emptiness that I feel will be filled something good.

What's your take on the origins of the universe and evolution as it relates to the 2nd law of thermodynamics?