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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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So does a god from a book dictate how you live or does Mother Nature? Please discuss.
You just haven't met Jesus yet. you may have grown up being made to read scripture but that's a completely different thing than knowing a personal Savior.
I know God, he talks to me and I talk to him, he shows me things to bless my life and things to make me grow spiritually, so that I can understand even more and benefit more.
I may have learned some things about Jesus from a book but he lives in me now and will always be there book or not. I've seen God's work in me and in others.
I will worship the creator rather than the creation. So you have actually talked to god? And he spoke back? What did he sound like? Is there a particular time in your life where he did not speak back?. Sorry for all the questions. Questions are good. I just want to keep things respectful on both sides. Yes, I talk to God every day, and yes I often hear specific things he tells me. Many times I hear his voice through scripture and sometimes I don't hear as clearly as I could because I have so many other things competing for my attention. Go with me one Sunday and I'll introduce you to Jesus. You can actually meet him anytime but I would like for you to see his life in other people as well. Jesus lives in us, who are born again. We can surly show you Jesus, because he is in us. I know you don't always see that because we have free will and we have to let Jesus reach out through us.
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Re: Chickasaw man
[Re: FurFlyin]
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07/24/14 04:51 PM
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What do you believe happens when you die, and how do you believe mother earth was put here? I believe when I die, I die. As far as the universe, I don't believe anyone farted it out. origins of the universe Great book, I'm not arguing just seeking an answer. I'm not talking about a book by that title. I'm asking how you think the earth was made since you apparently don't believe it was created and also, since you are a scientist by schooling, as am I, what makes you think that matter will trend towards order instead of towards chaos as the 2nd law of Thermodynamics states. I honestly think we are here by luck not JUST thermodynamics. Heat passing to other colder masses may have obvious reactions but I don't think Christ did that. Do you believe we are the only human like species In The universe? I doubt as a scientist you do, now do you think that Christ is the the savior of other lifeforms? Or does an " alien" from 100,000,000 light years away still know Jesus Christ?
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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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07/24/14 05:01 PM
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Bamabucks I am glad you felt like bringing this up here! If you think about it as far back as anyone could determine almost every civilization has always known in it's heart there was a god, a creator and protector. I think faith in Christ comes from knowledge about him and connecting him to that voice in our heart. I like you was always a logical thinker until Jesus used one of the worst times in my life to show me he was for real, cared and was there. Us Christians are our own worst enemies sometimes, thinking if we 'beat someone over the head with a Bible', like the way you were raised, they would put it all together. I am glad you asked and I will pray right now for Christ to reveal Himself to you and answer questions in your spirit that the mind can't comprehend. We are talking about the supernatural here, something every culture since the beginning of time somehow knew existed.
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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
[Re: Bowfool]
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07/24/14 05:05 PM
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Bamabucks I am glad you felt like bringing this up here! If you think about it as far back as anyone could determine almost every civilization has always known in it's heart there was a god, a creator and protector. I think faith in Christ comes from knowledge about him and connecting him to that voice in our heart. I like you was always a logical thinker until Jesus used one of the worst times in my life to show me he was for real, cared and was there. Us Christians are our own worst enemies sometimes, thinking if we 'beat someone over the head with a Bible', like the way you were raised, they would put it all together. I am glad you asked and I will pray right now for Christ to reveal Himself to you and answer questions in your spirit that the mind can't comprehend. We are talking about the supernatural here, something every culture since the beginning of time somehow knew existed. Well said.
Jesus... I hope you know Him personally like I do.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Re: Chickasaw man
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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07/24/14 05:06 PM
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I honestly think we are here by luck not JUST thermodynamics. Heat passing to other colder masses may have obvious reactions but I don't think Christ did that. Do you believe we are the only human like species In The universe? I doubt as a scientist you do, now do you think that Christ is the the savior of other lifeforms? Or does an " alien" from 100,000,000 light years away still know Jesus Christ?
And you "think" these things based on what? Has there ever been anything that you "thought" that turned out to be wrong? I'm not trying to be a jerk or argumentative or anything. I just want you to realize exactly what you're saying. Also, talk about a red herring argument. Whether or not there are aliens 100,000,000 light years away doesn't have anything to do with a person's relationship with Jesus. Saying that is just changing the subject.
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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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07/24/14 05:12 PM
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Thanks bowfool, however I do not believe that Christ comes swooping In at the right time. Why didn't he save the day when my parents got a divorce after 30 years of marriage? I think it sums it up when football fans pray," please god let us beat this team"....really does god care who wins a football game?
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Re: Chickasaw man
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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07/24/14 05:20 PM
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Bamabucks14, A relationship with anyone is very hard to explain or put into words from some of us. I know it is for me. I do know one thing. My personal life was changed when I believed in something other than myself.
It's not a Passion, it's an Obsession. That's what I tell my wife, but she promptly informs it's a disease to which is incurable.
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Re: Chickasaw man
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07/24/14 05:21 PM
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Are you serious? Lol, research anything about the bible, there are several books removed from the bible from Diciples, they didn't see the writing fit, and the Romans after Christianity became popular. Man there are books that have been "forgotten" about Jesus's lady friend.
Very serious. You're just spouting stuff with nothing to support it. I've heard the argument that the Roman Catholic Church chose the books of the Bible, which isn't true either by the way, but not that the disciples chose the books. As far as books about "Jesus' lady friend" those come from gnostic writings that show up a couple of centuries after Christ. Have you done any research? If so, you'll find that the New Testament is the most verifiable ancient document around. If you dispute the validity of the New Testament then you must dispute the validity of anything written more than a couple of hundred years ago. Here's a link that goes into it a little deeper...just so I'm not guilty of spouting things without any support http://www.str.org/articles/is-the-new-testament-text-reliable#.U9HE4PldW_g See? You see? You say I am spouting off stuff with no evidence other than books and actual science, but you are also spouting stuff with no evidence except without the science. Do you have any real evidence that Jesus Christ existed other than writings from Romans? No you don't!
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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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07/24/14 05:21 PM
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Thanks bowfool, however I do not believe that Christ comes swooping In at the right time. Why didn't he save the day when my parents got a divorce after 30 years of marriage? I think it sums it up when football fans pray," please god let us beat this team"....really does god care who wins a football game? Wow lol just aint no way. Your 25 your smarter than that.
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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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07/24/14 05:22 PM
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Thanks bowfool, however I do not believe that Christ comes swooping In at the right time. Why didn't he save the day when my parents got a divorce after 30 years of marriage? I think it sums it up when football fans pray," please god let us beat this team"....really does god care who wins a football game? God cares about you. He cared about your parents but he will not make you do anything. He couldn't make your parents stay together anymore than he can make you accept him. God can only fix whatever you give to him to fix.
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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
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07/24/14 05:23 PM
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Thanks bowfool, however I do not believe that Christ comes swooping In at the right time. Why didn't he save the day when my parents got a divorce after 30 years of marriage? I think it sums it up when football fans pray," please god let us beat this team"....really does god care who wins a football game? Bear Bryant was known to have walked on water.
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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
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07/24/14 05:33 PM
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Bamabucks, you have a lot of questions and I'm trying to decide if you are trying to pick a fight or if your questions are sincere, so I'd like to challenge you and let your actions decide your purpose. My challenge to you: get a Bible, find a quiet time and place, go to the Gospel of John, try to be as neutral as possible(neither for or against the Scriptures and forgetting about childhood memories of scripture reading), pray 'God if you are there, prove it', then begin reading chapter 1 of John, 1 chapter a night, then get back with us. Remember remain neutral and let God prove Himself to you.
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Re: Chickasaw man vs. Christianity
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07/24/14 05:37 PM
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Thanks bowfool, however I do not believe that Christ comes swooping In at the right time. Why didn't he save the day when my parents got a divorce after 30 years of marriage? I think it sums it up when football fans pray," please god let us beat this team"....really does god care who wins a football game? God cares about you. He cared about your parents but he will not make you do anything. He couldn't make your parents stay together anymore than he can make you accept him. God can only fix whatever you give to him to fix. Exactly. Free will is real. If god didnt give you a choice nobody would sin. Your parents made that decision on there own. And if anybody prays to god over a football game then they havent read there bible or either theyre being sarcastic.
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Re: Chickasaw man
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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07/24/14 06:05 PM
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See? You see? You say I am spouting off stuff with no evidence other than books and actual science, but you are also spouting stuff with no evidence except without the science. Do you have any real evidence that Jesus Christ existed other than writings from Romans? No you don't!
And yet I provided a link that supported what I said. You haven't provided anything to back up what you say other than your thoughts. You mention "books and actual science" yet you haven't pointed me to any. So you're saying that I don't have evidence for Jesus other than the evidence for Jesus? I assume by "Romans" you mean "Roman citizens" rather than the Book of Romans? Jesus lived at a time and in a place when Rome was the ruling authority. Of course the writings that mention Jesus are going to be from "Romans." There are plenty of references to Jesus outside of the Bible. The writings of Josephus,Pliny the Younger, and others refer to Jesus. No serious New Testament scholar, Christian or not, disputes that Jesus lived. Here's a quote from Luke Johnson at Emory University (this quote comes from the Reasonable Faith website linked below)... Even the most critical historian can confidently assert that a Jew named Jesus worked as a teacher and wonder-worker in Palestine during the reign of Tiberius, was executed by crucifixion under the prefect Pontius Pilate and continued to have followers after his death.http://carm.org/non-biblical-accounts-new-testament-events-andor-peoplehttp://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-evidence-for-jesus
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Re: Chickasaw man
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Do you have any real evidence that Jesus Christ existed other than writings from Romans? No you don't!
Since photography didn't exist during His life on Earth, all we have is first hand accounts of His physical existence on this planet and the actions witnessed countless people (including the disciples). You are correct in stating that the Bible was written by men and the books that were canonized were selected for entry were chosen by men. Those are facts that are absolutely indisputable; however, that doesn't negate that those words aren't God's words or that He inspired those books to be selected. I will attempt to explain my faith in the only way that I would know how to someone that doesn't believe, as poorly as this explanation might be - it's the best I can do. I cannot explain the happiness that I feel when I hear the distant sounds of children laughing and playing to a deaf person. Even if the children's words were written down - the deaf person would miss the moment. If I were standing next to a blind person watching the sunrise over the mountain - the blind person would feel the warmth of the sun, but miss the beauty of the event. I could attempt to put into words what the sunrise looked like, but the words that I chose would pale in comparison the actual sight of the sunrise. So in a nutshell - even if the Bible didn't exist or if I was unable to see, read, feel, or hear his Word or his impact on other's lives. That would not make God or His Son any less real - it would simply mean that I hadn't experience Them. Because quite frankly, if there is nothing more to our existence than just this life - why struggle. Don't get me wrong - I have a great life. Wonderful wife, great son, terrific family and friends, we are all healthy (to the best of my knowledge), good paying job,...etc. the list goes on. But if I live long enough - most if not all of those things will be taken away from me and all I would be left with was loneliness and emptiness. Except, that because of my absolute faith - I believe that I will never be alone and any emptiness that I feel will be filled something good.
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Re: Chickasaw man
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Do you have any real evidence that Jesus Christ existed other than writings from Romans? No you don't!
Since photography didn't exist during His life on Earth, all we have is first hand accounts of His physical existence on this planet and the actions witnessed countless people (including the disciples). You are correct in stating that the Bible was written by men and the books that were canonized were selected for entry were chosen by men. Those are facts that are absolutely indisputable; however, that doesn't negate that those words aren't God's words or that He inspired those books to be selected. I will attempt to explain my faith in the only way that I would know how to someone that doesn't believe, as poorly as this explanation might be - it's the best I can do. I cannot explain the happiness that I feel when I hear the distant sounds of children laughing and playing to a deaf person. Even if the children's words were written down - the deaf person would miss the moment. If I were standing next to a blind person watching the sunrise over the mountain - the blind person would feel the warmth of the sun, but miss the beauty of the event. I could attempt to put into words what the sunrise looked like, but the words that I chose would pale in comparison the actual sight of the sunrise. So in a nutshell - even if the Bible didn't exist or if I was unable to see, read, feel, or hear his Word or his impact on other's lives. That would not make God or His Son any less real - it would simply mean that I hadn't experience Them. Because quite frankly, if there is nothing more to our existence than just this life - why struggle. Don't get me wrong - I have a great life. Wonderful wife, great son, terrific family and friends, we are all healthy (to the best of my knowledge), good paying job,...etc. the list goes on. But if I live long enough - most if not all of those things will be taken away from me and all I would be left with was loneliness and emptiness. Except, that because of my absolute faith - I believe that I will never be alone and any emptiness that I feel will be filled something good. good post
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Re: Chickasaw man
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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Good post there hunting-231
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