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If China follows through? #3720169
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So IF China stays true to their word what would they do? How would the US react? Seems that if China was to say pay off your debt, and you will not be getting anything from our county till the US has paid it’s debt off in exports. IF it led to a conflict then would the US be able to just cut ties altogether ,or continue to buy from the enemy?

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720176
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They need access to our markets and our food too much. The are a formidable foe with nukes but our position is stronger than theirs.

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720179
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Here’s the thing. China cannot afford the US to stop buying its junk. On the flip side we can’t do without their junk. We don’t manufacture enough here. So all this is just a big dick contest between a bunch of idiots.

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720187
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I wish we had never got greedy and started outsourcing Chinese cheap child labor garbage and we could actually produce quality products here still.trade with European countries and screw china but cheap fast garbage seems to be the future unfortunately.

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720194
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Kinda what my thinking was too. Just a big bluff with both sides standing to lose to much.

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720207
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Here’s what it boils down to:

Say you send every willing and able soldier in the world to Taiwan. Cool. Now what?

You’ve got millions of men on an island. Only so many can go underground. What about their food and water?

If they aren’t underground, they’re just artillery fodder. Unless they can be massively reinforced from underwater and underground. It’ll be just like Okinawa, but shorter lived.

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720223
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So how would one defend Taiwan? Seems like you would have to maintain air and sea perimeter.

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China says we are done with you, Joe says no, here you can have us….

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720227
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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
So how would one defend Taiwan? Seems like you would have to maintain air and sea perimeter.


That’s the thousand year question. My answer is “you won’t”

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720243
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They owe us a bunch of money because of the China flu we don’t owe them a penny. I ain’t never eating Admirals Chicken or Moo Goo Guy Pan again!


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Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720244
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Hank Johnson said you could not put to many troops on it. Don't want it to tip over like Guam

Re: If China follows through? [Re: whack-n-stack] #3720254
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Originally Posted by whack-n-stack
Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
So how would one defend Taiwan? Seems like you would have to maintain air and sea perimeter.


That’s the thousand year question. My answer is “you won’t”


I agree.

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720256
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China ain't gonna do scheit just because an old hag landed in Taiwan. My gosh.


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Re: If China follows through? [Re: kyles] #3720257
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Originally Posted by kyles
Hank Johnson said you could not put to many troops on it. Don't want it to tip over like Guam

Not sure who the military leader was in that video but man he gets the award for keeping a straight face.

Re: If China follows through? [Re: BowtechDan] #3720279
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Originally Posted by BowtechDan
China ain't gonna do scheit just because an old hag landed in Taiwan. My gosh.

I agree. Like others have said just a pecker measuring scheme

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720299
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It’s all smoke and mirrors. No clue what the endgame is?!?
By the way…is the Russia thingy over now? I didn’t hear anything about it today? (Sarcasm)

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720305
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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
So how would one defend Taiwan? Seems like you would have to maintain air and sea perimeter.

Defending is much easier than invading. Only a small part of Taiwan is favorable terrain to land infantry. They might try paratroopers like the Russians attempted, but that will likely have the same results of simply wasting some of their best soldiers. China also will have to stage for an invasion an absolute minimum of two months before and will be very visible to our satellites, so a sneak attack isn’t on the table. Very likely China isn’t feeling very good about crossing a hundred miles of ocean with only two actual troop carriers and the rest with vessels poorly designed to land troops with after seeing Russia’s failed invasion of Ukraine. Russia hasn’t been able to reliably support their military thirty miles from their border with less distance and easier terrain. China also has zero battle experience other than a few dozen soldiers bordering India using melee weapons. Taiwan has been arming itself with our help for quite awhile and is better prepared to fend off China than Ukraine was against Russia. Russia and China both have the mentality of throwing metal and meat against their enemies, but when they’re faced with even late twentieth century weaponry it isn’t a slam dunk victory even against a smaller opponent.
China is good at consistently running their mouths with zero action. Pelosi just punked them out and gave them the finger and they won’t do anything but complain. I hope when we get a real president, we officially recognize Taiwan and be done with this drama.

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Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720306
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Just picture a Chinese or Russian Aircraft Carrier pulling in to Cuba for a visit.
With an American carrier East of Taiwan, the possibility for an air encounter with
Chinese planes is real. This is provocative to say the least.

Re: If China follows through? [Re: YellaLineHunter] #3720310
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ROSS PEROT told the people exactly what would happen.. and it happened

Re: If China follows through? [Re: joshm28] #3720328
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Originally Posted by joshm28
Here’s the thing. China cannot afford the US to stop buying its junk. On the flip side we can’t do without their junk. We don’t manufacture enough here. So all this is just a big dick contest between a bunch of idiots.



The good thing about globalization is: Everybody needs everybody.

The bad thing about globalization is: Everybody needs everybody.

If you watch much Peter Zeihan he will tell it like it is, and that is, the US is pretty much the only country that can exist totally as an island. Well, we need Canada and Mexico, but other than that we don't need anyone else to survive as a nation state. We have farmland, people, natural resources, and a vibrant economy and system of government. If the US decides to pull out of everywhere countries like China and Russia will collapse. Matter of fact they are already dying and they just don't realize it yet. Well... Maybe they do.

This war with Ukraine is literally killing Russia's future. They already didn't have a large enough population of young people to survive before the war and now look how many have died. Basically all Russia has is oil and a lot of really cold places. Their oil pipelines to China are already maxed out, and they don't have the infrastructure or the shipping to sell them anymore.

A similar thing is going on in China. Despite the country being physically large, and like Russia, only a small portion of it is arable, livable land, and the rest is a giant desert. This coupled with the small relative number of young people due to the failed period of the one child policy, and the lack of indigenous oil is all going to combine to do them in.

If both of those countries know they are on the decline, they may lash out as a final attempt to prove the superiority of their failed systems. But neither one has a blue water navy and no way to get a large force enough force over here to do anything.

Russia and China are dead men walking.

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