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Re: California Polution
[Re: birdcarver]
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07/31/22 08:00 PM
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Biggest poluter in the world with all there wild fires, should be nuked off face of earth. Like. Send the cruise missiles
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Re: California Polution
[Re: birdcarver]
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07/31/22 08:52 PM
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51k acres is an incredible amount of land in several days.
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Re: California Polution
[Re: Lockjaw]
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08/01/22 12:47 PM
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abolt300
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Thats because they don't do controlled burns. You have so much fuel on the ground, once it starts, its gone. Exactly, DA forest management practices out on the leftist coast is 100% the cause and the reason for the severity. Earl, explain to us why the wildfires will move east in the next decade...........would love to hear your wisdom on the subject. And before you get started good, none of it is due to global warming, global cooling, climate change, or whatever the democrap buzzword of the day is. It's 100% the result of piss poor timber management practices.
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Re: California Polution
[Re: abolt300]
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08/01/22 04:25 PM
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Thats because they don't do controlled burns. You have so much fuel on the ground, once it starts, its gone. Exactly, DA forest management practices out on the leftist coast is 100% the cause and the reason for the severity. Earl, explain to us why the wildfires will move east in the next decade...........would love to hear your wisdom on the subject. And before you get started good, none of it is due to global warming, global cooling, climate change, or whatever the democrap buzzword of the day is. It's 100% the result of piss poor timber management practices. Note this quote from Coleen Vansant of the Alabama Forestry Commission. He does not mention timber management practices as being the cause of the increased wildfires. It does play a part but it's for sure not 100%. I am no expert I am just stating what the experts are saying. https://www.wbrc.com/2021/03/15/hundreds-fires-burned-across-alabama/BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC) - Hundreds of fires burned across Alabama from March 7 to March 13, 2021. Coleen Vansant with the Alabama Forestry Commission said from the 7th to the 13th the state had 261 wildfires totaling approximately 5,700 acres. During the same time frame last year, the state had 21 wildfires that burned 255 acres. Sunday March 14, 2021 Alabama 55 wildfires burned in Alabama for a total of 2,348 acres. Vansant said the extreme wildfire activity over the last ten days is a result of dry conditions and weather. The Alabama Forestry Commission (AFC) advised people to use extreme caution with all debris burning and outdoor fires.
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Re: California Polution
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08/01/22 05:26 PM
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Thats because they don't do controlled burns. You have so much fuel on the ground, once it starts, its gone. Absolutely right. I saw an article just the other day lamenting the damage to the redwoods from fires. Promptly pulled up an article I read years ago about how the redwoods needed the fire to replenish. Helps seedlings hatch and grow. Humans do more harm with our ignorance that we've ever done with our intelligence.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: California Polution
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08/01/22 05:46 PM
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Wildfires will only get worse and will move eastward in the next decade I sure would like to see what kind of fire can burn across the top of the snow covered Sierra Nevada range and on across the Mojave desert.
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Re: California Polution
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08/02/22 08:15 AM
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Wildfires will only get worse and will move eastward in the next decade I sure would like to see what kind of fire can burn across the top of the snow covered Sierra Nevada range and on across the Mojave desert. You will not see any fires in these areas. Not saying fires will actually move on the ground from West to East... saying the dry conditions you see in California will move eastward. its not just California, look at Lake Mead in Nevada
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Re: California Polution
[Re: birdcarver]
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08/02/22 10:13 AM
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abolt300
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Wrong again there BE. You watch too much MSNBC and CNN. Here's an excerpt from Forbes magazine in 2016. Things are not always as they appear at first glance, dig a little deeper and sometimes you actually find the truth. CA's water problems have been going on for decades and just continue to get worse due to repeated/continued mis-"management" of resources.
Why is it that Southern California residents have sacrificed with brown lawns, 5-minute showers and “flushing only after number two,” while bureaucrats have been flushing vast quantities of water to the ocean? These actions are supposedly meant to prevent harm to threatened and endangered Delta smelt and winter-run Chinook salmon. Sadly, flushing all this water to the ocean, year after year, has shown no measurable ecosystem benefits and, instead, resulted in a monumental waste of water.
Consumers and farmers are being unjustifiably denied what should be fairly normal water supplies this year while bureaucrats continue to waste water on a failed experimental effort to help fish. Unfortunately, the fish aren’t recovering, and the bureaucrats are just making a bad situation worse for all Californians.
People who receive water from the state and federal water systems are seeing this year’s supply once again flushed to the ocean – water that 3 million acres of farmland and 25 million consumers depend on.
In less than 90 days – from Dec. 1, 2015, to Feb. 28, 2016 – almost 200 billion gallons of water has been flushed out through San Francisco Bay. That’s enough water to supply almost 3.5 million Southern Californians with enough domestic water for a year or enough produce for 11 billion salads.
Why is this freshwater going to the ocean? Because federal fishery managers were overly concerned that pumping it into storage increased the possibility of harming fish. To be clear, fish weren’t being harmed, and the potential risk to them was minimal at worst. The 2008 and 2009 salmon and Delta smelt biological opinions, or rules, that govern these bureaucratic actions incorporate “triggers” into the decision process that ultimately reduce water supplies to people in favor of fish. No triggers had occurred that would have reduced pumping under the existing rules
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Re: California Polution
[Re: abolt300]
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08/02/22 11:22 AM
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bama_earl
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Wrong again there BE. You watch too much MSNBC and CNN. Here's an excerpt from Forbes magazine in 2016. Things are not always as they appear at first glance, dig a little deeper and sometimes you actually find the truth. CA's water problems have been going on for decades and just continue to get worse due to repeated/continued mis-"management" of resources.
Why is it that Southern California residents have sacrificed with brown lawns, 5-minute showers and “flushing only after number two,” while bureaucrats have been flushing vast quantities of water to the ocean? These actions are supposedly meant to prevent harm to threatened and endangered Delta smelt and winter-run Chinook salmon. Sadly, flushing all this water to the ocean, year after year, has shown no measurable ecosystem benefits and, instead, resulted in a monumental waste of water.
Consumers and farmers are being unjustifiably denied what should be fairly normal water supplies this year while bureaucrats continue to waste water on a failed experimental effort to help fish. Unfortunately, the fish aren’t recovering, and the bureaucrats are just making a bad situation worse for all Californians.
People who receive water from the state and federal water systems are seeing this year’s supply once again flushed to the ocean – water that 3 million acres of farmland and 25 million consumers depend on.
In less than 90 days – from Dec. 1, 2015, to Feb. 28, 2016 – almost 200 billion gallons of water has been flushed out through San Francisco Bay. That’s enough water to supply almost 3.5 million Southern Californians with enough domestic water for a year or enough produce for 11 billion salads.
Why is this freshwater going to the ocean? Because federal fishery managers were overly concerned that pumping it into storage increased the possibility of harming fish. To be clear, fish weren’t being harmed, and the potential risk to them was minimal at worst. The 2008 and 2009 salmon and Delta smelt biological opinions, or rules, that govern these bureaucratic actions incorporate “triggers” into the decision process that ultimately reduce water supplies to people in favor of fish. No triggers had occurred that would have reduced pumping under the existing rules I agree this is probably true. If you stop the natural release of rivers and streams into the ocean, which most do at some point across the US, then there would be more water for crop irrigation and personal consumption. But I don't see how this will prevent wildfires in California. I do agree with you that better management of our forests and grasslands will reduce wildfires but I think it would be difficult for the govt to tell a landowner, hey you have to clear cut your 2000 acres because we need to put in a fire break on your land. No one wants more govt rules and regulations on our private property. Technically the govt does have this power but it aint going to go over well in Alabama. California and really all lands need more control burns. But let's look at Texas, Texas is currently in a 10 year drought. Drought conditions are slowly moving eastward. Now these conditions could change next year, those areas have experienced droughts in the past and have recovered... but today... the drought trend is moving east.
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Re: California Polution
[Re: bama_earl]
#3719751
08/02/22 11:57 AM
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Wildfires will only get worse and will move eastward in the next decade I sure would like to see what kind of fire can burn across the top of the snow covered Sierra Nevada range and on across the Mojave desert. You will not see any fires in these areas. Not saying fires will actually move on the ground from West to East... saying the dry conditions you see in California will move eastward. its not just California, look at Lake Mead in Nevada Hope you aren’t still driving a gas burner and contributing to this horrific climate change you speak of.
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Re: California Polution
[Re: bama_earl]
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08/02/22 01:26 PM
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Thats because they don't do controlled burns. You have so much fuel on the ground, once it starts, its gone. Exactly, DA forest management practices out on the leftist coast is 100% the cause and the reason for the severity. Earl, explain to us why the wildfires will move east in the next decade...........would love to hear your wisdom on the subject. And before you get started good, none of it is due to global warming, global cooling, climate change, or whatever the democrap buzzword of the day is. It's 100% the result of piss poor timber management practices. Note this quote from Coleen Vansant of the Alabama Forestry Commission. He does not mention timber management practices as being the cause of the increased wildfires. It does play a part but it's for sure not 100%. I am no expert I am just stating what the experts are saying. https://www.wbrc.com/2021/03/15/hundreds-fires-burned-across-alabama/BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC) - Hundreds of fires burned across Alabama from March 7 to March 13, 2021. Coleen Vansant with the Alabama Forestry Commission said from the 7th to the 13th the state had 261 wildfires totaling approximately 5,700 acres. During the same time frame last year, the state had 21 wildfires that burned 255 acres. Sunday March 14, 2021 Alabama 55 wildfires burned in Alabama for a total of 2,348 acres. Vansant said the extreme wildfire activity over the last ten days is a result of dry conditions and weather. The Alabama Forestry Commission (AFC) advised people to use extreme caution with all debris burning and outdoor fires. They failed to mention the amount of dry fuel on ground due to Hurricanes Sally and Zeta in 2020. Makes perfect sense there were more wildfires in 2021. Same thing happened in 2005 and 2006 after Ivan. Wildfire severity is a direct correlation to amount of fuel on ground.
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