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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: bama_earl]
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07/20/22 02:11 PM
07/20/22 02:11 PM
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Let's say God lists Abortion as a sin, such as divorce, or cheating on your spouse. But that does not mean it should be illegal. If a handful of states make it illegal then you are going to see an explosion in abortions. It will have the reverse affect of preventing more abortions. Abortion is really underground, there are a few clinics in al ot of states and they don't advertise.
But you are going to see pro-choice groups rise up and have free transportation, free room and board, counseling, etc to those who wish to have an abortion. Same with drugs.... its about to explode.
I do not support abortion and would encourage the woman to chose a different path... but making it illegal is about to blow up in the face of the pro-choice movement. Divorce is not a sin if its for adultery or abandonment. And your logic sux. Basically, we shouldn't make something that is morally wrong a crime, because that would make more people do it??? REALLY??? Let's see. Let's make the following illegal to cut down on crime. Murder, rape, assualt, theft.... oh wait they they already tried that in some cities..... and the result was more crime. You are right, Divorce is not a sin if its adultery or abandonment. But making it illegal is not the right approach to prevent abortions... it's going to increase abortions. Example: Alabama makes abortion illegal. But Florida and Georgia make it legal. What is going to happen is liberals will have buses in every region of Alabama to transport women to states that offer abortion, the funds being donated to support women's rights will also spike. All this leads to more abortions not less. So we should have no laws against murder at all then, according to this logic ?
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: BPI]
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07/20/22 02:43 PM
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bama_earl
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So we should have no laws against murder at all then, according to this logic ?
If a 18 year old high school girl gets pregnant, and has an illegal abortion in a hotel room. No, I don't think she should be charged with murder. That girl needs counseling and help, not 30 years of Prison.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: JT124]
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07/20/22 02:45 PM
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You are right, Divorce is not a sin if its adultery or abandonment. But making it illegal is not the right approach to prevent abortions... it's going to increase abortions. Example: Alabama makes abortion illegal. But Florida and Georgia make it legal. What is going to happen is liberals will have buses in every region of Alabama to transport women to states that offer abortion, the funds being donated to support women's rights will also spike. All this leads to more abortions not less.
For your assumption to be true, women who would not have abortions if they were legal will decide to have abortions because they are made illegal. Is that your argument? I am saying abortion would be easier to obtain because of the vast amounts of resources Pro Choice groups will put towards making abortion obtainable for residents in illegal states.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: bama_earl]
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07/20/22 03:04 PM
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So we should have no laws against murder at all then, according to this logic ?
If a 18 year old high school girl gets pregnant, and has an illegal abortion in a hotel room. No, I don't think she should be charged with murder. That girl needs counseling and help, not 30 years of Prison. That's not an answer to the question I asked. I'm talking about murder in general.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: bama_earl]
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07/20/22 03:19 PM
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So we should have no laws against murder at all then, according to this logic ?
If a 18 year old high school girl gets pregnant, and has an illegal abortion in a hotel room. No, I don't think she should be charged with murder. That girl needs counseling and help, not 30 years of Prison. That is already available. She can take her newborn and drop it off at any hospital or fire dept no questions asked. She can get WIC to help with her nutritional needs and the unborn childs. There are all sorts of charities to help in this sort of situation too. Like Sav a life. There are plenty of people willing to adopt. I work with 2 different people who have adopted children. Rather than finding a way to make an abortion accessible, we should be finding a way to value the sanctity of life. But that isn't going to happen when everyone wants to find some loophole or way to justify having one.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: Frankie]
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07/20/22 03:36 PM
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value of life has definitely went down hill unfortunately..
Georgia Football..Acts like Bama but has a trophy case like South Carolina.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: Frankie]
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07/20/22 03:41 PM
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Didn't read it. The bible takes a very firm stance on those who misrepresent scripture and mislead people in GODS name. Not gonna be a good ending for a lot of folk.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: Frankie]
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07/20/22 04:22 PM
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Its easy it seems to misinterpret the bible and the quotes..
Georgia Football..Acts like Bama but has a trophy case like South Carolina.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: Lockjaw]
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07/20/22 05:02 PM
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That is already available. She can take her newborn and drop it off at any hospital or fire dept no questions asked. She can get WIC to help with her nutritional needs and the unborn childs. There are all sorts of charities to help in this sort of situation too. Like Sav a life. There are plenty of people willing to adopt. I work with 2 different people who have adopted children.
Rather than finding a way to make an abortion accessible, we should be finding a way to value the sanctity of life. But that isn't going to happen when everyone wants to find some loophole or way to justify having one.
100% agree. Abortion is not the answer in 95% of abortions. My wife and I had a child in our teens and we had limited support from our families. We chose to have our child and do the best we could and it worked out. We did use govt assistance like WIC to help us. We are so glad we chose life and not the other options. We really never even considered those options. By keeping it legal we remove the "underground abortions" that were huge in the 1940s and 1950s. You don't actually eliminate abortions by making it illegal that's something people don't understand. They think if there is a law then people will just obey, it's not true. We see that with guns and drugs.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: Frankie]
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07/20/22 05:06 PM
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If someone says it isn't in the Bible, tell them it isn't in the constitution either
"And the days that I keep my gratitude
Higher than my expectations
Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: bama_earl]
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07/20/22 06:02 PM
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That is already available. She can take her newborn and drop it off at any hospital or fire dept no questions asked. She can get WIC to help with her nutritional needs and the unborn childs. There are all sorts of charities to help in this sort of situation too. Like Sav a life. There are plenty of people willing to adopt. I work with 2 different people who have adopted children.
Rather than finding a way to make an abortion accessible, we should be finding a way to value the sanctity of life. But that isn't going to happen when everyone wants to find some loophole or way to justify having one.
100% agree. Abortion is not the answer in 95% of abortions. My wife and I had a child in our teens and we had limited support from our families. We chose to have our child and do the best we could and it worked out. We did use govt assistance like WIC to help us. We are so glad we chose life and not the other options. We really never even considered those options. By keeping it legal we remove the "underground abortions" that were huge in the 1940s and 1950s. You don't actually eliminate abortions by making it illegal that's something people don't understand. They think if there is a law then people will just obey, it's not true. We see that with guns and drugs. So if we eliminated the minimum drinking age, do you think high school kids would drink more, or the same?
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: bama_earl]
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07/21/22 06:19 AM
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That is already available. She can take her newborn and drop it off at any hospital or fire dept no questions asked. She can get WIC to help with her nutritional needs and the unborn childs. There are all sorts of charities to help in this sort of situation too. Like Sav a life. There are plenty of people willing to adopt. I work with 2 different people who have adopted children.
Rather than finding a way to make an abortion accessible, we should be finding a way to value the sanctity of life. But that isn't going to happen when everyone wants to find some loophole or way to justify having one.
100% agree. Abortion is not the answer in 95% of abortions. My wife and I had a child in our teens and we had limited support from our families. We chose to have our child and do the best we could and it worked out. We did use govt assistance like WIC to help us. We are so glad we chose life and not the other options. We really never even considered those options. By keeping it legal we remove the "underground abortions" that were huge in the 1940s and 1950s. You don't actually eliminate abortions by making it illegal that's something people don't understand. They think if there is a law then people will just obey, it's not true. We see that with guns and drugs. We understand that you don't eliminate abortions by making them illegal. That's not the issue. We also don't eliminate murder by making it illegal. But how many more murders would we see if murder, in general, were legal ? Have you ever seen The Purge ? It would be like that. Abortion SHOULD be illegal regardless of what people will choose to do outside of the law. Why ? It's taking human life. Instead of thinking about who would still get an abortion if they were made illegal. Let's think about the millions of lives that would be saved if it were.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: Frankie]
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07/21/22 12:24 PM
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For the people that say they would never consider abortion but can understand someone having one due to a sexual assault, I say ask someone who was born as a result of this whether or not they feel their life has value? Whether or not they are evil because they are the product of an evil act? Two wrongs don't make a right and never will. They had no choice in the matter.
"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.'" - John 14:6
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: BPI]
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07/21/22 03:38 PM
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We understand that you don't eliminate abortions by making them illegal. That's not the issue. We also don't eliminate murder by making it illegal. But how many more murders would we see if murder, in general, were legal ? Have you ever seen The Purge ? It would be like that. Abortion SHOULD be illegal regardless of what people will choose to do outside of the law. Why ? It's taking human life. Instead of thinking about who would still get an abortion if they were made illegal. Let's think about the millions of lives that would be saved if it were.
No, never seen The Purge. I do think abortion will rise if we have some states that allow it and some that do not. If all states ban it, which will not happen, then I do think abortion goes down, drastically. Talk to any DHR worker today, we have a massive foster care problem in Alabama and other states. There are just not families lining up to take care of unwanted children. The folks that do step up are at times.. not that great. If my daughter is gang raped I would want her to have the option to not have the child as a result of the rape. And doctors can do that very quickly by monitoring her after the incident. Now if she chose to keep the baby, fine it will be loved as my other grandkids. But I want her to have that option.
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Re: Abortion in the Bible
[Re: Lvlhdd]
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07/21/22 03:41 PM
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For the people that say they would never consider abortion but can understand someone having one due to a sexual assault, I say ask someone who was born as a result of this whether or not they feel their life has value? Whether or not they are evil because they are the product of an evil act? Two wrongs don't make a right and never will. They had no choice in the matter. Rape victims didn't have a choice in the matter either
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