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Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It [Re: 3006bullet] #3667170
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Originally Posted by 3006bullet
Another vote to change back, it,s hard to hunt the way the woods have shot up and heat and ticks in the last week.


It’s been like that in the southern 3rd of the state since April 1st, or before some years.

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This was the first year I ran into hens with poults in the woods. What’s worse, killing a gobbler on 3/15 that probably has bread hens already and will likely be replaced by another? Or, separating a hen from 12+, day old poults that don’t stand a chance without her? It was an odd year all together as far as turkey behavior/gobbling, but it wasn’t for lack of birds. I had more birds than ever before across north Florida and south Alabama, public and private. 5/7 was last day I went and heard the most gobbles, at least a dozen different birds.

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Arent they doing studies on the ability of different age group gobblers to be able to successfully breed and seeing if the clutch size is affected by the age/fertility of age group of gobblers? I thought I heard that and would like to see the data if anyone knows of such a study. That would certainly help justify or disprove the need for season date changes, but didnt the season used to start at the end of may for years and years anyway before they moved it up to the 15th, then added the youth weekend even earlier?


Ive posted on here a couple times about the Auburn project (primarily funded by AWF and TFT among others) that is ongoing to look at gobbler fertility. Hopefully MANY of the Aldeer members collected and submitted carcasses or testes to the project so that they can see how many, what proportion of and the timing of fertile gobblers in the harvested population wink
https://mossyoakgamekeeper.com/podcasts/?msclkid=706280e4cf3611ecb16b6c8e274a7cb4
listen to episode 90

I am looking forward to seeing what they find out. That being said they determined collection sites and collection leaders well before the season, a person could not just randomly submit a harvested bird similar to CWD check.

When firing off emails it's probably best y'all don't complain about the hunting weather. Keep it focused on the turkeys and not how comfortable or not you are while walking in the woods. Last day of the season was 52 degrees in the morning.

Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It [Re: 865] #3667292
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Originally Posted by 865
This was the first year I ran into hens with poults in the woods. What’s worse, killing a gobbler on 3/15 that probably has bread hens already and will likely be replaced by another? Or, separating a hen from 12+, day old poults that don’t stand a chance without her? It was an odd year all together as far as turkey behavior/gobbling, but it wasn’t for lack of birds. I had more birds than ever before across north Florida and south Alabama, public and private. 5/7 was last day I went and heard the most gobbles, at least a dozen different birds.



I've seen them early and late . I've een hens together and it'd be a big differences in the poults.

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I seen more turkeys in February than deer.

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For last few years on this new place - they strut more in February and early March than any other time - then gobblers split up and lot of them leave area until next year starting second half March


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Originally Posted by TDog93
For last few years on this new place - they strut more in February and early March than any other time - then gobblers split up and lot of them leave area until next year starting second half March


Wouldnt it only make sense for turkeys to shift their breeding with long term warming and cooling trends so that they stay in synch with spring green-up????.......I'm talking LONG term climate trends....like the one that shows us increasing 2 degrees over the last 50 years or what have you


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I haven't heard a gobble in 3 weeks.

Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It [Re: dirkdaddy] #3667331
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Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
Keep it focused on the turkeys and not how comfortable or not you are while walking in the woods. .


If the “focus” was on turkey - and someone actually believed the dominant gobbler theory - then a single season date structure proves it’s an agenda - and not about the species. If you want something for the benefit of the turkey in that regard - the southern 3rd of the state and the northern 3rd of the state would have a 3 week difference in opening days/season structure.

So, who really cares about the birds here? See - they show their hand in that regard. Politics. Agendas.

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I heard as much gobbling and had more good hunts last week as compared to the first ten days of the season. Can't get any more middle of the state than where I hunt. Even had 2 strutters henned up with 3 in a field Mother's Day morning. Season dates seem fine to me.

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Originally Posted by turkey247
Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
Keep it focused on the turkeys and not how comfortable or not you are while walking in the woods. .


If the “focus” was on turkey - and someone actually believed the dominant gobbler theory - then a single season date structure proves it’s an agenda - and not about the species. If you want something for the benefit of the turkey in that regard - the southern 3rd of the state and the northern 3rd of the state would have a 3 week difference in opening days/season structure.

So, who really cares about the birds here? See - they show their hand in that regard. Politics. Agendas.


Can you imagine the bitching here if Wilcox County got to start a week before Dallas, or Dallas Co got a week later that Wilcox didn't get? not to mention the enforcement nightmares?

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This one gobbled a few minutes ago, Abbeville

He was looking right at the truck too



Re: Season Dates - I’m Jusf Gonna Say It [Re: TwentySeven] #3667482
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Originally Posted by TwentySeven
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Originally Posted by dirkdaddy
Keep it focused on the turkeys and not how comfortable or not you are while walking in the woods. .


If the “focus” was on turkey - and someone actually believed the dominant gobbler theory - then a single season date structure proves it’s an agenda - and not about the species. If you want something for the benefit of the turkey in that regard - the southern 3rd of the state and the northern 3rd of the state would have a 3 week difference in opening days/season structure.

So, who really cares about the birds here? See - they show their hand in that regard. Politics. Agendas.


Can you imagine the bitching here if Wilcox County got to start a week before Dallas, or Dallas Co got a week later that Wilcox didn't get? not to mention the enforcement nightmares?




What enforcement nightmares? Still gonna be a season limit, I’m guessing. And this year, public land inside counties with private land - had different season dates - they don’t care about enforcement in that regard. Non issue.

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Originally Posted by TwentySeven
I heard as much gobbling and had more good hunts last week as compared to the first ten days of the season. Can't get any more middle of the state than where I hunt. Even had 2 strutters henned up with 3 in a field Mother's Day morning. Season dates seem fine to me.



Hey Chuckie. I always wondered what screen name you used on here! rofl

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Dominant gobbler Theory

OK I've seen this a couple times on here .

What are yall talking about ?

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Originally Posted by Frankie
Dominant gobbler Theory

OK I've seen this a couple times on here .

What are yall talking about ?


A Dr Chamberlain of Georgia had espoused the theory that if the dominant gobbler gets killed early in the season, it retards the breeding cycle in the flock and is detrimental to the population. I disagree based on my personal experience.


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Frankie. I guess that there is ONE dominant bird, and if he is killed the hens will not get bred because he is the only Gobbler they will breed with.

And that if decoys are used this dominant bird is like a Kamikaze Japanese suicide pilot and will leave his bevy of actual live hens to run up and beat up that PLASTIC gobbler or a jake decoy, therefore making it so no hens are bred the rest of the year.

So to allow the "only bird" that breeds the hens to breed we knock the season back until March 26th and no decoys for 10 days after that.

A perfect example of a moron who has to try to justify his position coming up with a "Theory" on a "paper" to justify his position and then some morons in Fish and Game departments actually using it to change their season.

Biggest crock of manure ever peddled in my opinion. Flys in the face of all previous "Theories" and all personal observations of 50 years of hunting turkeys for me. In my experience there is one dominant gobbler until another comes in a whups that arse and takes those hens. I guess at that point the original dominant gobbler must become sterile slap rofl loco

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Originally Posted by TurkeyJoe
Originally Posted by Frankie
Dominant gobbler Theory

OK I've seen this a couple times on here .

What are yall talking about ?


A Dr Chamberlain of Georgia had espoused the theory that if the dominant gobbler gets killed early in the season, it retards the breeding cycle in the flock and is detrimental to the population. I disagree based on my personal experience.



Yea he espoused this theory because every other theory in hunting has been studied, written on and published in hunting magazines like Turkey and Turkey Hunting and Turkey Call and Outdoor Life for the past 50 years ad nauseum and he had to try to come up with a "New spin" and some new idea that hasnt been discussed yearly in every turkey hunting publication.

That is my "Theory" on his idiotic "Theory" only mine is more based on more "facts" than his. rofl

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Originally Posted by TurkeyJoe
Originally Posted by Frankie
Dominant gobbler Theory

OK I've seen this a couple times on here .

What are yall talking about ?


A Dr Chamberlain of Georgia had espoused the theory that if the dominant gobbler gets killed early in the season, it retards the breeding cycle in the flock and is detrimental to the population. I disagree based on my personal experience.




Yeah ,,,,, I'd say that's bullshitt too




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Strange that we are seeing so many early poults this year. Maybe it’s because the dominant gobbler had 10 extra days to do his job.

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