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Re: low carb eating [Re: willdo22] #3227567
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Originally Posted by willdo22
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Get macros where they need to be for your goals. Low carb is a fad diet that is not healthy.


x2 on macros

Low carb can be healthy or not healthy. Eat only non processed foods with lots of raw vegetables and healthy meats and it's very healthy. Try to live on bacon,sausage,bologna,eggs,and butter and you will likely lose a bit of weight but eating garbage will eventually catch up with you.

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Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Eat plants and animals.

Nothing out of a sack or a box.

No bread, no potatoes, try no fruit fot a while.

Snacks- tree nuts, sardines, tuna.

Don't forget to eat lots of fat. Low carb dieting will make you hungry unless you are eating fat. Don't be scared of animal fat, or fat from any nut. Avoided expelled and processed oils.

Be happy you have a doctor who has some understanding of nutritional impact on your health.



When you throw in heart issues you have to be careful with fats


I had it explained to me be a cardiologist that sugars scratch blood vessels and allows for fats to accumulate there.


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Y’all talking about macros. Is it types of macaroni?


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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Eat plants and animals.

Nothing out of a sack or a box.

No bread, no potatoes, try no fruit fot a while.

Snacks- tree nuts, sardines, tuna.

Don't forget to eat lots of fat. Low carb dieting will make you hungry unless you are eating fat. Don't be scared of animal fat, or fat from any nut. Avoided expelled and processed oils.

Be happy you have a doctor who has some understanding of nutritional impact on your health.



When you throw in heart issues you have to be careful with fats


I had it explained to me be a cardiologist that sugars scratch blood vessels and allows for fats to accumulate there.

It's cholesterol that accumulates to help strengthen that artery. You do not get excess cholesterol from fat rich foods however. Cholesterol can't be absorbed through foods. Our bodies produce it based on our need,lifestyle and diet,but it's more of a reaction produced because of our bad diet though,than an ingredient to be avoided in a bad diet.

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I didn’t read any of the replies so this may have been covered. Intermittent fasting puts your body into Ketosis.

The Keto diet puts your body into Ketosis.

Doing both puts your body in the correct zone for weight loss.

Eating 20-30 grams of carbs per meal will kick you out of your IF Ketosis.

I eat 20-30 grams per day.

This is not speculation. Regardless of what I do, I research it to death.

My A1C dropped from 5,9 in February of 2019 to 5.7 in July of ‘19, to 5.3 in January of ‘20.

There have been several small studies done that show that the Keto diet will reverse type 2 diabetes in many cases


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Re: low carb eating [Re: R_H_Clark] #3227604
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Eat plants and animals.

Nothing out of a sack or a box.

No bread, no potatoes, try no fruit fot a while.

Snacks- tree nuts, sardines, tuna.

Don't forget to eat lots of fat. Low carb dieting will make you hungry unless you are eating fat. Don't be scared of animal fat, or fat from any nut. Avoided expelled and processed oils.

Be happy you have a doctor who has some understanding of nutritional impact on your health.



When you throw in heart issues you have to be careful with fats


I had it explained to me be a cardiologist that sugars scratch blood vessels and allows for fats to accumulate there.

It's cholesterol that accumulates to help strengthen that artery. You do not get excess cholesterol from fat rich foods however. Cholesterol can't be absorbed through foods. Our bodies produce it based on our need,lifestyle and diet,but it's more of a reaction produced because of our bad diet though,than an ingredient to be avoided in a bad diet.


True but genetics play a huge role too

My triglycerides are high. Certain foods increase triglycerides etc. egg yolks for one. I’ve been eating egg whites since finding that out. I’m making changes but there are always other factors. You’ll never beat genetics.


If it was just food choices my dad should have been a diabetic long ago yet he never when tested exceeded a reading over 6 A1c


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Originally Posted by cartervj
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Eat plants and animals.

Nothing out of a sack or a box.

No bread, no potatoes, try no fruit fot a while.

Snacks- tree nuts, sardines, tuna.

Don't forget to eat lots of fat. Low carb dieting will make you hungry unless you are eating fat. Don't be scared of animal fat, or fat from any nut. Avoided expelled and processed oils.

Be happy you have a doctor who has some understanding of nutritional impact on your health.



When you throw in heart issues you have to be careful with fats


I had it explained to me be a cardiologist that sugars scratch blood vessels and allows for fats to accumulate there.

It's cholesterol that accumulates to help strengthen that artery. You do not get excess cholesterol from fat rich foods however. Cholesterol can't be absorbed through foods. Our bodies produce it based on our need,lifestyle and diet,but it's more of a reaction produced because of our bad diet though,than an ingredient to be avoided in a bad diet.


True but genetics play a huge role too

My triglycerides are high. Certain foods increase triglycerides etc. egg yolks for one. I’ve been eating egg whites since finding that out. I’m making changes but there are always other factors. You’ll never beat genetics.


If it was just food choices my dad should have been a diabetic long ago yet he never when tested exceeded a reading over 6 A1c

Just don't use genetics as an excuse. Genetics just mean that you have to be even more strict on proper nutrition.Learning exactly what proper nutrition means is a huge part of the equation as well. Because of your genetic back ground you may do better on certain foods or eating schedules than on others.

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That’s kinda what I was saying

So many project their circumstances on others as being the only way and it’s not.

15-20 years ago a friend recommended a book about ketosis and at the time I was slightly over weight with no health problems. He recommended as a way to lose weight.

I asked my endocrinologist a ton of questions the other day. I did forget one I’ll ask next time. I’ve read that type 2 is an auto immune disease I can’t find anything to back that up however.

We went over my diet and changes I’ve been making already and more changes in the future. I’d already cut a lot of carbs out and focused on salmon/fish and griddled veggies more so than not. Lots of griddled okra veggie mixes.

One thing often overlooked is portion size. It pretty bad to overeat healthy food too.



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It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.


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Originally Posted by TickaTicka
It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.



Feel free to explain it then. It is a forum where discussions are had.


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Originally Posted by TickaTicka
It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.

Why are you surprised? People can’t figure out how to eat healthy, is what it is dumbfounding. (Not talking about the op) but It’s not rocket surgery. It’s usually just following basic nutrition and eating in moderation. The body is extremely efficient and is built for times of feast and to endure famine, today much of society has never seen a lack of food much less famine.


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Originally Posted by Bustinbeards
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.

Why are you surprised? People can’t figure out how to eat healthy, is what it is dumbfounding. (Not talking about the op) but It’s not rocket surgery. It’s usually just following basic nutrition and eating in moderation. The body is extremely efficient and is built for times of feast and to endure famine, today much of society has never seen a lack of food much less famine.


And "healthy" foods shouldn't cost you double (or sometimes more) than regular foods imo.


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Originally Posted by James
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Originally Posted by TickaTicka
It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.

Why are you surprised? People can’t figure out how to eat healthy, is what it is dumbfounding. (Not talking about the op) but It’s not rocket surgery. It’s usually just following basic nutrition and eating in moderation. The body is extremely efficient and is built for times of feast and to endure famine, today much of society has never seen a lack of food much less famine.


And "healthy" foods shouldn't cost you double (or sometimes more) than regular foods imo.

They don't. They only seem to if you buy into the packaging. Shop the produce section. Buy produce by the pound rather than pre packaged with a money making KETO label. I can go to the dollar store and buy 6 ounces of 100% coconut oil for $1. The same 100% coconut oil packaged as MCT KETO costs about 6 times as much in the diet -organic section at Walmart. Pre packaged Broccoli florets cost nearly twice what they cost by the pound if I bag them myself. I could eat healthy for a week on less than $10 or about what one fast food meal costs. I could get enough rice,black beans,tuna,eggs and cabbage for a week of eating for around $10.

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Eat around the edge of the store, for the most part. Ignore 99.375% of the the horrible chit in the middle.

Making lifestyle changes is tough but doable. Takes commitment after figuring out what exactly to eat and when.


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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.



Feel free to explain it then. It is a forum where discussions are had.


About 20% of your cholesterol comes from your diet, the other 80% is made by the liver and intestines. Genetics play heavily on your cholesterol numbers. I think Ticka's point is many people have a misconception that diet has a larger contribution to the cholesterol numbers. If that were true compliant patient would not have the need for statins or other cholesterol medications. Your primary physician and/or cardiologist will still recommend a healthy diet and exercise to achieve or maintain a healthy body weight plus other metabolic benefits.

Source.......... Work for cardiologists for the last 18 years in the cath lab and office.

If you are interested in the biological processes behind cholesterol production, a quick google search will quench your thirst, just pick reliable sources.

David

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Originally Posted by Super Dave
Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.



Feel free to explain it then. It is a forum where discussions are had.


About 20% of your cholesterol comes from your diet, the other 80% is made by the liver and intestines. Genetics play heavily on your cholesterol numbers. I think Ticka's point is many people have a misconception that diet has a larger contribution to the cholesterol numbers. If that were true compliant patient would not have the need for statins or other cholesterol medications. Your primary physician and/or cardiologist will still recommend a healthy diet and exercise to achieve or maintain a healthy body weight plus other metabolic benefits.

Source.......... Work for cardiologists for the last 18 years in the cath lab and office.

If you are interested in the biological processes behind cholesterol production, a quick google search will quench your thirst, just pick reliable sources.

David


The way I understand it,cholesterol cannot be absorbed from foods through digestion. Certain foods however will cause your body to produce more cholesterol. Lifestyle and genetics will play a role too.

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I do intermediate fasting probably 6days a week. After supper I usually don’t eat till lunch. It was hard at first but you get adjusted to it. I lost about 18 lbs and could do more, but I’m around 180

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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Originally Posted by Super Dave
Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.



Feel free to explain it then. It is a forum where discussions are had.


About 20% of your cholesterol comes from your diet, the other 80% is made by the liver and intestines. Genetics play heavily on your cholesterol numbers. I think Ticka's point is many people have a misconception that diet has a larger contribution to the cholesterol numbers. If that were true compliant patient would not have the need for statins or other cholesterol medications. Your primary physician and/or cardiologist will still recommend a healthy diet and exercise to achieve or maintain a healthy body weight plus other metabolic benefits.

Source.......... Work for cardiologists for the last 18 years in the cath lab and office.

If you are interested in the biological processes behind cholesterol production, a quick google search will quench your thirst, just pick reliable sources.

David


The way I understand it,cholesterol cannot be absorbed from foods through digestion. Certain foods however will cause your body to produce more cholesterol. Lifestyle and genetics will play a role too.


This is a pretty good explanation....




Since cholesterol is a fat, it can't travel alone in the bloodstream. It would end up as useless globs (imagine bacon fat floating in a pot of water). To get around this problem, the body packages cholesterol and other lipids into minuscule protein-covered particles that mix easily with blood. These tiny particles, called lipoproteins (lipid plus protein), move cholesterol and other fats throughout the body.

Cholesterol and other lipids circulate in the bloodstream in several different forms. Of these, the one that gets the most attention is low-density lipoprotein— better known as LDL, or "bad" cholesterol. But lipoproteins come in a range of shapes and sizes, and each type has its own tasks. They also morph from one form into another. These are the five main types:

Chylomicrons are very large particles that mainly carry triglycerides (fatty acids from your food). They are made in the digestive system and so are influenced by what you eat.
Very-low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) particles also carry triglycerides to tissues. But they are made by the liver. As the body's cells extract fatty acids from VLDLs, the particles turn into intermediate density lipoproteins, and, with further extraction, into LDL particles.
Intermediate-density lipoprotein (IDL) particles form as VLDLs give up their fatty acids. Some are removed rapidly by the liver, and some are changed into low-density lipoproteins.
Low-density lipoprotein (LDL) particles are even richer in pure cholesterol, since most of the triglycerides they carried are gone. LDL is known as "bad" cholesterol because it delivers cholesterol to tissues and is strongly associated with the buildup of artery-clogging plaque.
High-density lipoprotein (HDL) particles are called "good" cholesterol because some of them remove cholesterol from circulation and from artery walls and return it to the liver for excretion.
– By Julie Corliss
Executive Editor, Harvard Heart Letter

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Take for example something like that plaque causing cholesterol. I've read info that suggests it's only deposited to protect arteries. If you removed the reason for the arterial damage,then there wouldn't be any plaque. I've also read that sugar is a major cause of the arterial damage. In that case, there would be no fats-cholesterol in sugar,but it would cause your body to produce cholesterol.

There's lots of things along those same lines. For example your blood will carry a large amount of a certain growth hormone if you eat a lot of meat. That growth hormone is great if you are building muscle but if you aren't actively building muscle,that growth hormone can cause tumor growth.

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Originally Posted by Super Dave
Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
It's amazing in 2020 that people still believe that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.



Feel free to explain it then. It is a forum where discussions are had.


About 20% of your cholesterol comes from your diet, the other 80% is made by the liver and intestines. Genetics play heavily on your cholesterol numbers. I think Ticka's point is many people have a misconception that diet has a larger contribution to the cholesterol numbers. If that were true compliant patient would not have the need for statins or other cholesterol medications. Your primary physician and/or cardiologist will still recommend a healthy diet and exercise to achieve or maintain a healthy body weight plus other metabolic benefits.

Source.......... Work for cardiologists for the last 18 years in the cath lab and office.

If you are interested in the biological processes behind cholesterol production, a quick google search will quench your thirst, just pick reliable sources.

David


I guess I misunderstood what he was saying then.

My numbers last spring we’re once again very high which was no surprise as I had spent a days on end eating fast food while taking dad to the many different dr appointments. His favorite foods so we ate it.
After my high cholesterol counts this past spring. I started eating healthier I’d say 90% of what was posted i eat. My numbers were actually higher the other day. Like James said heck I spend at least 3 times on food than what I used to. Fast food no more is except a half a biscuit sausage egg cheese in the mornings. That has since changed to egg whites turkey sausage and veggies every morning.

Like my wife said. I have a double whammy so I’m really trying to figure it out.

Another question.

Drinking liquor. Jack over ice basically. Yea or nay. I love bloody Mary’s but too much salt so I’m not doing that.


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