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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3131901
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Thank God for all the rain this week. Got about 6 acres covered last Saturday in either PeaPatch or in pea, milo, and sunflower blend. They got good start if nothing else

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I did a T&M summer plot with WMS pea patch at end of April. Rained like hell the next day. thought it was going to be perfect. Didn't rain but maybe a trace for about two weeks. Sprinkled again a week later, and then finally deluge this weekend. It's not looking good. Only time I've had much luck with this method for warm season plots is when it rained a bunch.

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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: ALFisher] #3132219
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Originally Posted by ALFisher
I did a T&M summer plot with WMS pea patch at end of April. Rained like hell the next day. thought it was going to be perfect. Didn't rain but maybe a trace for about two weeks. Sprinkled again a week later, and then finally deluge this weekend. It's not looking good. Only time I've had much luck with this method for warm season plots is when it rained a bunch.


Peas seem to be one of the seeds folks usually have success with.....Ate the deer browsimg it already? Do you think they could be already having an impact? Something everyone may want to think about if you're planting in April is double checking your soil temps.....Soil covered over with organic matter will take a little longer to warm up.


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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3132398
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I’m very particular about my summer planting timing. If we don’t have some moisture and a good bit of rain in the forecast I won’t plant. I planted Friday and Saturday so should be in great shape as long as we don’t go dry for a month. I will wait for the next good rain before fertilizer though.


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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3133169
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I always plant with a significant rain event in the next day or two. I'm talking a couple day rain event. That's not hard to come by this time of year. All of mine are up 3-4 inches. Btw, I never plant until May.

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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3133181
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Mine are jumping now. I put out milorganite to keep the deer off them but they should look great in 7-10 days. I would like a decent rain next week though just to help them.


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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3139115
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Two weeks in and I’m happy so far except one field. The first pic I figured the peas would do better in the pines but in the open field it is full of peas. Not really sure what’s the reason on that.
My best field actually laid down on me before I had enough rain to plant so I’m really thin where I didn’t get good soil contact. There’s way too much rye grass in that field that I’ve got to take care of next year earlier. I can’t wait to see what the fields at the lease look like cause they were jamming last weekend.
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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3139229
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Pines are highly acidic, plus it'll shade the peas.

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I figured I would give a better explanation. Peas are a legume. Like all legumes, they like soil with a ph of 6.5 to 7 for optimum growth. If I had to guess the soil ph in those pines is probably in the low 5's. That along with shade and competition for moisture is why the field is doing better.

Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3139353
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I’ve been liming the field periodically so that shouldn’t be the issue. The ones at the lease are in way crappier soil and doing great.


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Must be the shade then.

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Well they look great for only the second throw and mow planting.

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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3159878
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Let me throw this out there for y’all to mill over as you watch your plots do what they do this summer……One of the most important aspects of this whole process and probably the one that is the most underappreciated or misunderstood….is the importance of producing biomass at the end of each growing cycle. Simply “not tilling” doesn’t in and of itself improve your soil. You can “not till” for the next 10 years but if you end your growing cycles each time without recycling significant yields of biomass back to the soil….then you’ll barely be any better off than you were when you started. It’s the plant matter that gets added back to the soil that builds your soil and your fertility….If there isn’t any left over at the end of summer or if you’re not allowing your cereal grains to mature and make a crop of biomass…..then very little is going to change…..”Not tilling” is simply helps conserve the soil that you’re building. Just keep that in mind when you plant peas and sunflowers and this and that….That’s all good and fun but if you don’t end up with any left over then you’ve lost the chance to improve the soil with that cycle….You’ve accomplished nothing or very little from that standpoint…..and in exchange for what??? What real changes did you make with the ½ acre of peas??? More than likely none from that standpoint either…..Sure it was fun….but at what cost??

Its more important to grow a bunch of something rather than a little of nothing…..Even if you do still feel like you have to call them “weeds”…….The taller stuff is about 3-4 acres of second year growth….I haven’t bushhogged it down in the last couple years…..I’ll reset it after this season…..The shorter area is about an acre that is being set back annually. Its clover in the winter and grass, broadleaf mix in the summer…..The back of the field also has a couple acres of annual plot. I’m trying something BSK mentioned one time about having multiple stages of early successional growth…..allowing some to grow for 2 maybe even 3 seasons before doing anything to it….while having other areas set back annually…..

Just a side note….someone may notice and say….damn that’s a lot of grass in the short area….keep in mind though that its pure clover during the winter and spring….The heavier summer grass crop balances the carbon/nitrogen cycle. Its starting to get a good amount of a broadleaf component coming in now though so its still a mix of deer food/soil food. The deer are hammering any and everything this summer and wiping out a lot of stuff I normally see in abundance.

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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3159924
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I put out a mix of sunn hemp, buckwheat , black oil sunflower and soy beans on 2.5 acres and mowed it in today. Hopefully with the rain we are having it will do something. What we broadcast into and mowed looks like the left hand side of CNC's picture.

Cereal rye seems to be making a excellent thatch producer to go along with the diakons.


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Originally Posted by Rmart30
I put out a mix of sunn hemp, buckwheat , black oil sunflower and soy beans on 2.5 acres and mowed it in today. Hopefully with the rain we are having it will do something. What we broadcast into and mowed looks like the left hand side of CNC's picture.

Cereal rye seems to be making a excellent thatch producer to go along with the diakons.


One of these days I'm gonna invest in some E-fencing. I'm gonna grow a jungle of beans, suflowers, , etc during the latter part of summer that you could get lost in. Then I'm gonna take the fence down about 2 weeks before bow season opens and let the deer hammer it while I layer on my cereal grains letting the deer mob graze and process the vegetation for me. You could probably do really well just fencing off some native vegetation allowing ice cream species to establish that may not have otherwise.....Probably be good to do just to promote and establish that diversity that the deer may wipe out without protection. I may broadcast some millet in my lower field just get some more growth going because they're wiping it clean of broadleaf's this year


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Re: Throw and mow summer edition [Re: Turkey_neck] #3160984
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These are from last weekend at the lease. I put brown top in all my thin areas to thicken them up which I expect to really have taken off [Linked Image][/[url=https://postimg.cc/kB1xqzvq][Linked Image]


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