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Very informative info #3112304 04/29/20 05:06 PM 04/29/20 05:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,159 In The Stack G General OP 14 point
General OP 14 point G Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,159 In The Stack	Listen to this podcast and the turkey doc will confirm and dispel several things you thought you knew about the eastern wild turkey. Also backs up what many of us already know that Alabama needs to make some changes for the future of the sport whether you like it or not. https://www.themeateater.com/listen/meateater/ep-214-gobbling-your-ass-off "I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads" - Colonel Charlie Beckwith Founder Delta Force

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112325 04/29/20 05:26 PM 04/29/20 05:26 PM
Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,967 Opelika, AL AU_trout_bum 8 point
AU_trout_bum 8 point Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,967 Opelika, AL	This has been discussed on here already in pretty great detail. Author, Fly Fishing for Redeye Bass: An Adventure Across Southern Waters JacksonKayak Fishing Team --------------------------------------------------- "I do not hunt turkeys because I want to, I hunt them because I have to." - Tom Kelly

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112420 04/29/20 07:25 PM 04/29/20 07:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,802 LASW turkey247 12 point
turkey247 12 point Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,802 LASW	Originally Posted by General Also backs up what many of us already know that Alabama needs to make some changes for the future of the sport whether you like it or not. And what is that? Not listening to it. But curious what we already know.

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112423 04/29/20 07:29 PM 04/29/20 07:29 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL Out back Grumpy Old Man
Out back Grumpy Old Man Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL	The change we need to make is getting rid of chuck Sykes, and yes we all know that. My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112424 04/29/20 07:30 PM 04/29/20 07:30 PM
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General OP 14 point G Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,159 In The Stack	My bad I looked and didn’t see it I’ll find it and read responses. "I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads" - Colonel Charlie Beckwith Founder Delta Force

Re: Very informative info [Re: turkey247] #3112467 04/29/20 08:14 PM 04/29/20 08:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,967 Opelika, AL AU_trout_bum 8 point
AU_trout_bum 8 point Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,967 Opelika, AL	Originally Posted by turkey247 Originally Posted by General Also backs up what many of us already know that Alabama needs to make some changes for the future of the sport whether you like it or not. And what is that? Not listening to it. But curious what we already know. The argument is that we need to push the season back and reduce bag limit. Not saying I'm for that necessarily, because I need to see more data, but that's the discussion. Author, Fly Fishing for Redeye Bass: An Adventure Across Southern Waters JacksonKayak Fishing Team --------------------------------------------------- "I do not hunt turkeys because I want to, I hunt them because I have to." - Tom Kelly

Re: Very informative info [Re: AU_trout_bum] #3112497 04/29/20 08:34 PM 04/29/20 08:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,100 Sylacauga, AL poorcountrypreacher Booner
poorcountrypreacher Booner Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,100 Sylacauga, AL	I noticed some guy asked him this question on Twitter: >>> How much higher is the poult recruitment rate on unhunted land vs similar land that is hunted? I think that is the number you need to publicize.<<< And this was his response: >>>We are just beginning a large-scale study on a nonhunted population, and can hopefully answer that question.<<< So the guy asked a follow-up question: >>>I would have thought that had been studied long ago. The SC study had lots of info about their nonhunted area, but I couldn't find any mention of the poult recruitment rate on it. I was surprised by that<<< And this was the reply: >>>Yes, we've been doing gobbling work there for several years, but only recently secured enough funding to do the reproductive work.<<< So let me translate that for you: There is still no evidence that legal Spring hunting of gobblers has any effect on poult production. All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth. All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.

Re: Very informative info [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #3112513 04/29/20 08:44 PM 04/29/20 08:44 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,802 LASW turkey247 12 point
turkey247 12 point Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,802 LASW	Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth. Which is what I figured when I posted what I did. It is beyond comprehension why hunters lay down and take that crap. Believe it. Repeat it. And try to force it on others by saying things like “what we already know”.

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112550 04/29/20 09:09 PM 04/29/20 09:09 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 7,978 South of 20/North of 10 North40R 14 point
North40R 14 point Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 7,978 South of 20/North of 10	Backing season up a week in South Alabama is total bulldoodoo! There's no biological reason! Chuck made that clear when he made the statement that "Bringing in season on a Saturday when everyone is off makes it fair"! In other words damn the guys that work shift work, damn the guys that eat, sleep, live and breathe turkeys that burn our vacation time to ensure we're off for opening day, we're gonna make season open on Saturday so my buddies that work office jobs Monday through Friday will stop bending my ear! Sorry Chuck, you lost my support and respect with that statement! It was a bulldoodoo move at playing politics with game and fish! Adopt the pace of nature, her secret is patience. Emerson

Re: Very informative info [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #3112578 04/29/20 09:27 PM 04/29/20 09:27 PM
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oldbowhunter 6 point O Joined: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,017 Alabama	Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher I noticed some guy asked him this question on Twitter: >>> How much higher is the poult recruitment rate on unhunted land vs similar land that is hunted? I think that is the number you need to publicize.<<< And this was his response: >>>We are just beginning a large-scale study on a nonhunted population, and can hopefully answer that question.<<< So the guy asked a follow-up question: >>>I would have thought that had been studied long ago. The SC study had lots of info about their nonhunted area, but I couldn't find any mention of the poult recruitment rate on it. I was surprised by that<<< And this was the reply: >>>Yes, we've been doing gobbling work there for several years, but only recently secured enough funding to do the reproductive work.<<< So let me translate that for you: There is still no evidence that legal Spring hunting of gobblers has any effect on poult production. All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth. If all hunting is stopped and no one is allowed to ever enter any property we would have more turkeys. Maybe a brief season from July 4th-July 10th.

Re: Very informative info [Re: North40R] #3112620 04/29/20 09:50 PM 04/29/20 09:50 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,802 LASW turkey247 12 point
turkey247 12 point Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,802 LASW	Originally Posted by North40R Backing season up a week in South Alabama is total bulldoodoo! There's no biological reason! Chuck made that clear when he made the statement that "Bringing in season on a Saturday when everyone is off makes it fair"! In other words damn the guys that work shift work, damn the guys that eat, sleep, live and breathe turkeys that burn our vacation time to ensure we're off for opening day, we're gonna make season open on Saturday so my buddies that work office jobs Monday through Friday will stop bending my ear! Sorry Chuck, you lost my support and respect with that statement! It was a bulldoodoo move at playing politics with game and fish! I’ve been on that rant too. Starting a turkey season in Chatom, AL and Scottsboro, AL on the same day is insanity. I drove from Clarke County to the AL/TN border on April 2nd. Shaking my head the whole time. It went from tropical rain forest, full green, to very little spring growth at all.

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112647 04/29/20 10:13 PM 04/29/20 10:13 PM
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bamaeyedoc Old Mossy Horns Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 15,649 Montgomery	Changing the opening day to insure it opens on a Saturday was completely idiotic. How would one go about getting the ball rolling to move it back to the 15th? Dr. B AKA: “Dr. B” Aldeer #121 8-3-2000 Proud alum of AUM, UAB, and UA Member of Team 10 Point 2023-2024 ALdeer Deer Contest Winners Glennis Jerome "Jerry" Harris 1938-2017 UGA Class of 1960 BS/MS Forestry LTJG, USNR

Re: Very informative info [Re: oldbowhunter] #3112770 04/30/20 07:18 AM 04/30/20 07:18 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,100 Sylacauga, AL poorcountrypreacher Booner
poorcountrypreacher Booner Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,100 Sylacauga, AL	Originally Posted by oldbowhunter Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher I noticed some guy asked him this question on Twitter: >>> How much higher is the poult recruitment rate on unhunted land vs similar land that is hunted? I think that is the number you need to publicize.<<< And this was his response: >>>We are just beginning a large-scale study on a nonhunted population, and can hopefully answer that question.<<< So the guy asked a follow-up question: >>>I would have thought that had been studied long ago. The SC study had lots of info about their nonhunted area, but I couldn't find any mention of the poult recruitment rate on it. I was surprised by that<<< And this was the reply: >>>Yes, we've been doing gobbling work there for several years, but only recently secured enough funding to do the reproductive work.<<< So let me translate that for you: There is still no evidence that legal Spring hunting of gobblers has any effect on poult production. All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth. If all hunting is stopped and no one is allowed to ever enter any property we would have more turkeys. Maybe a brief season from July 4th-July 10th. Even if all hunting were stopped, they don't have any proof that it would lead to any more turkeys other than the 9000 or so that are legally killed each spring. The state biologists tell us that we have over 500,000 in AL, so that legal harvest number seems pretty insignificant. This map was put out by the Southeastern study group: This map was produced by some of the same people who are saying that we need to change the harvest, yet are we to believe that nobody ever compared the recruitment rate in the nonhunted areas vs hunted areas? You gotta admit, that seems unlikely. I think it far more likely that the comparisons have been made, and they found no difference, so they don't mention it. All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112790 04/30/20 07:35 AM 04/30/20 07:35 AM
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Gobl4me 6 point G Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 930 Piney Ridge	I'd like to see a nesting period rainfall /weather map that overlays this same map....... what is hurting Missouri and Arkansas?

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112881 04/30/20 08:41 AM 04/30/20 08:41 AM
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General OP 14 point G Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,159 In The Stack	I'm not saying everything the guy said is absolute truth but everything he said about predation is true. I also personally believe the limit should be 3 birds a year. "I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads" - Colonel Charlie Beckwith Founder Delta Force

Re: Very informative info [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #3112886 04/30/20 08:45 AM 04/30/20 08:45 AM
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BamaGuitarDude 12 point Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 6,054 AL	Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher So let me translate that for you: There is still no evidence that legal Spring hunting of gobblers has any effect on poult production. All we have is a theory that has been repeated enough that it is now regarded as The Truth. that'll preach right there ALDeer physics: for every opinion, there's an equal & opposite opinion A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112892 04/30/20 08:51 AM 04/30/20 08:51 AM
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Avengedsevenfold 10 point Joined: May 2013 Posts: 4,571 Behind you	Have we ever gotten an answer on what percentage of the total turkey harvest each spring is made up of #4 and #5 birds? Carrying a gun isn't comfortable; but at times it is comforting "Cause the cause for the pause you think you see is really concentration on the steel” NonPoint

Re: Very informative info [Re: General] #3112949 04/30/20 09:46 AM 04/30/20 09:46 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,645 Past Ol’ man Finley’s plac... Southwood7 Booner
Southwood7 Booner Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,645 Past Ol’ man Finley’s plac...	Originally Posted by General I also personally believe the limit should be 3 birds a year. Why? How did you arrive at 3 birds being an acceptable limit? The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life. Job 33:4

Re: Very informative info [Re: Avengedsevenfold] #3112952 04/30/20 09:52 AM 04/30/20 09:52 AM
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Southwood7 Booner Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,645 Past Ol’ man Finley’s plac...	Originally Posted by Avengedsevenfold Have we ever gotten an answer on what percentage of the total turkey harvest each spring is made up of #4 and #5 birds? I posted this a while back but this is what Chuck sent me... The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life. Job 33:4

Re: Very informative info [Re: Southwood7] #3112974 04/30/20 10:28 AM 04/30/20 10:28 AM
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GomerPyle Impatient Stinky Britches Wearin’ Off-Roadin’ Guru Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 20,086 Northport, AL	Originally Posted by Southwood7 Originally Posted by Avengedsevenfold Have we ever gotten an answer on what percentage of the total turkey harvest each spring is made up of #4 and #5 birds? I posted this a while back but this is what Chuck sent me... So, is that chart saying that 4th and 5th birds only accounted for 7% of total number of reported harvests? There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world: 1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft

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