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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: Southwood7]
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02/14/20 08:08 PM
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You don’t have to go to the division office to voice a complaint. An email is just as effective. A LOT of folks emailed Chuck and company about the opening date of turkey season being pushed back.
And what was the result of this communication with the State? Was the season returned to where it was?
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
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02/14/20 08:25 PM
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BhamFred
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I'd bet every one of those e-mails went in the waste basket
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: ALFisher]
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02/14/20 08:52 PM
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2Dogs
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As someone that works closely with DCNR at times I’m going to ask this. How many of y’all have actually gone to a division office and talk with them about what we complain about on here? What about the Montgomery office? I know we like to joke on Buckmasters here but Chuck is there every year walking around and talking to hunters so there’s another opportunity. I talked to him about an thirty minutes last year asking him everything we talk about on here. Besides him DCNR is always represented at this event. Remember folks they work for us and you would be surprised what you can accomplish with a good conversation. I have, and I totally agree with what you are saying. Goes back to what I said about internet forums. It's easy to come on here and complain, but how many folks have actually TALKED to someone at the State about doing something about it. Ummm , I talked to King Chuck himself.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: centralala]
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02/14/20 08:55 PM
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You don’t have to go to the division office to voice a complaint. An email is just as effective. A LOT of folks emailed Chuck and company about the opening date of turkey season being pushed back.
And what was the result of this communication with the State? Was the season returned to where it was? You can read the thread and the emails MASH HERE
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: 2Dogs]
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02/14/20 08:57 PM
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As someone that works closely with DCNR at times I’m going to ask this. How many of y’all have actually gone to a division office and talk with them about what we complain about on here? What about the Montgomery office? I know we like to joke on Buckmasters here but Chuck is there every year walking around and talking to hunters so there’s another opportunity. I talked to him about an thirty minutes last year asking him everything we talk about on here. Besides him DCNR is always represented at this event. Remember folks they work for us and you would be surprised what you can accomplish with a good conversation. I have, and I totally agree with what you are saying. Goes back to what I said about internet forums. It's easy to come on here and complain, but how many folks have actually TALKED to someone at the State about doing something about it. Ummm , I talked to King Chuck himself. Would you please elaborate if you where able to get a change made? I'm trying to find one person who has had discussions with a member of the DCNR and got a change. I sure havent.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: Southwood7]
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02/14/20 09:02 PM
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You don’t have to go to the division office to voice a complaint. An email is just as effective. A LOT of folks emailed Chuck and company about the opening date of turkey season being pushed back.
And what was the result of this communication with the State? Was the season returned to where it was? You can read the thread and the emails MASH HEREIf I'm reading it correctly, the season was not moved back. It was moved for no biological reason. So, this discussion with the DCNR accomplished nothing.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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02/14/20 09:30 PM
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The February deer season extension in North zone has been highly discussed topic. Some of the biologist at least, maybe all, we're against this move. The one I spoke with was adamant against it. Against it with biology to back it up. But the DCNR led by Sykes who is a biologist chose to go against biology. Do we need someone over the States resources who will go against biology in decision making.
will ever convince me that Will Ainsworth isn't solely responsible for the season extension in north Alabama. He was losing a LOT of money to high fence operations in south Alabama when their season was longer than ours. Biologically, the extension is not needed up here. Follow the money. This, 100% Anybody who says there is biological data to support the season being extended in NA is full of shucks. When decisions like these are made, it undermines every other decision the dept makes. I have no respect for the dept because of it.
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: 2Dogs]
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02/14/20 09:59 PM
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As someone that works closely with DCNR at times I’m going to ask this. How many of y’all have actually gone to a division office and talk with them about what we complain about on here? What about the Montgomery office? I know we like to joke on Buckmasters here but Chuck is there every year walking around and talking to hunters so there’s another opportunity. I talked to him about an thirty minutes last year asking him everything we talk about on here. Besides him DCNR is always represented at this event. Remember folks they work for us and you would be surprised what you can accomplish with a good conversation. I have, and I totally agree with what you are saying. Goes back to what I said about internet forums. It's easy to come on here and complain, but how many folks have actually TALKED to someone at the State about doing something about it. Ummm , I talked to King Chuck himself. I know you did Anthony and like you and I said in our phone conversation he had a great opportunity to gain a lot of trust but he didn’t. I’ve asked him numerous times to come on here and take questions and he said he would consider it. I’ll ask him again next time I see him. And no centralala nothing has changed the season starts and end dates in each zone by talking straight with a representative with DCNR. But it’s a start for them to hear from us hunters. It’s better than doing nothing at all. And for me I like a face to face conversation over a email any day.
Proud Army and ALNG veteran
God Bless America!
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: CKyleC]
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02/14/20 10:00 PM
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The February deer season extension in North zone has been highly discussed topic. Some of the biologist at least, maybe all, we're against this move. The one I spoke with was adamant against it. Against it with biology to back it up. But the DCNR led by Sykes who is a biologist chose to go against biology. Do we need someone over the States resources who will go against biology in decision making.
will ever convince me that Will Ainsworth isn't solely responsible for the season extension in north Alabama. He was losing a LOT of money to high fence operations in south Alabama when their season was longer than ours. Biologically, the extension is not needed up here. Follow the money. This, 100% Anybody who says there is biological data to support the season being extended in NA is full of shucks. When decisions like these are made, it undermines every other decision the dept makes. I have no respect for the dept because of it. Austin is a representative on a certain board so it’s very possible.
“Everything Woke Turns To SH_T” Donald J. Trump
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
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02/15/20 12:26 AM
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I can only speak for Jefferson County but Officer Kerry Bradford is a 10. If all GW’s performed like him, this would be a different state to hunt in. He is a great example of what a GW should be like!
Hunting brings out the worst in people.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: hayman]
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02/15/20 09:53 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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The February deer season extension in North zone has been highly discussed topic. Some of the biologist at least, maybe all, we're against this move. The one I spoke with was adamant against it. Against it with biology to back it up. But the DCNR led by Sykes who is a biologist chose to go against biology. Do we need someone over the States resources who will go against biology in decision making.
will ever convince me that Will Ainsworth isn't solely responsible for the season extension in north Alabama. He was losing a LOT of money to high fence operations in south Alabama when their season was longer than ours. Biologically, the extension is not needed up here. Follow the money. This, 100% Anybody who says there is biological data to support the season being extended in NA is full of shucks. When decisions like these are made, it undermines every other decision the dept makes. I have no respect for the dept because of it. Austin is a representative on a certain board so it’s very possible. If you're referring to him being on the Conservation Advisory Board, he is not on this list of members: https://www.outdooralabama.com/about-us/conservation-advisory-board
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: centralala]
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02/15/20 09:58 AM
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2Dogs
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As someone that works closely with DCNR at times I’m going to ask this. How many of y’all have actually gone to a division office and talk with them about what we complain about on here? What about the Montgomery office? I know we like to joke on Buckmasters here but Chuck is there every year walking around and talking to hunters so there’s another opportunity. I talked to him about an thirty minutes last year asking him everything we talk about on here. Besides him DCNR is always represented at this event. Remember folks they work for us and you would be surprised what you can accomplish with a good conversation. I have, and I totally agree with what you are saying. Goes back to what I said about internet forums. It's easy to come on here and complain, but how many folks have actually TALKED to someone at the State about doing something about it. Ummm , I talked to King Chuck himself. Would you please elaborate if you where able to get a change made? I'm trying to find one person who has had discussions with a member of the DCNR and got a change. I sure havent. I think you already know the answer. When we were "discussing" the season extension he had previously told me would never happen, Mrs. Jessica Butler came up. Well he just walked off all starry eyed and left me standing there in mid conversation.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: Clem]
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I may be wrong but I sure thought he told me a couple years ago when I met him that he was.
“Everything Woke Turns To SH_T” Donald J. Trump
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: hayman]
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02/15/20 10:04 AM
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I may be wrong but I sure thought he told me a couple years ago when I met him that he was. He and fellow high fence pal Sweet Tea are not on the CAB anymore. Chuck's puppet Jessica Butler took Ainsworth's spot if I remember correctly . We all know how that turned out. 
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
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02/15/20 10:06 AM
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Not for me to say, I was on the inside looking out. Those on the outside looking in , more qualified to make those suggestions, I am like the officer in Crenshaw ,as my career went forward I came to realize that I worked for the hunters and fisherman. We were all in it together. I haven't been gone long enough to have clarity on what changes would benefit both the Dept and the hunters. I believe any change should benefit both mutually, with the resources well-being, being of the utmost concern. Thats a difficult balance, so I think maybe , sometimes the powers that be, should be given the chance to explain their reasoning on any changes. Never going to make everyone happy. Every one is stating their opinion he's mine. That answer is a cop out, if you work somewhere for 30 years you know what works from the inside looking out. You know what the problems are but you come on here wanting every one else to help solve the problems knowing all we can pretty much do is belly ache on the computer screen. Folks on here have called, emailed complained etc. but with no results but have tried. About the only way things get changed is from the inside (ex: TRUMP). I guess my biggest issue is if you were there for 30 years and can't see the problems and some solutions you got what you wanted a paycheck and retirement. For the record don't know Chuck so i'll stay away from that discussion, but GW's I guess do the best they can with what they have to work with.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
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02/15/20 10:33 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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I believe 2Dogs is correct in that Ainsworth, and that Tuscaloosa guy involved in those rape allegations, previously did a rotation on the CAB.
Speaking of the CAB, the first meeting of the year:
February 29, 2020, 9:00 a.m.
Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries, Richard Beard Auditorium
1445 Federal Dr., Montgomery, AL 36107
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: capehorn24]
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02/15/20 10:37 AM
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Not for me to say, I was on the inside looking out. Those on the outside looking in , more qualified to make those suggestions, I am like the officer in Crenshaw ,as my career went forward I came to realize that I worked for the hunters and fisherman. We were all in it together. I haven't been gone long enough to have clarity on what changes would benefit both the Dept and the hunters. I believe any change should benefit both mutually, with the resources well-being, being of the utmost concern. Thats a difficult balance, so I think maybe , sometimes the powers that be, should be given the chance to explain their reasoning on any changes. Never going to make everyone happy. Every one is stating their opinion he's mine. That answer is a cop out, if you work somewhere for 30 years you know what works from the inside looking out. You know what the problems are but you come on here wanting every one else to help solve the problems knowing all we can pretty much do is belly ache on the computer screen. Folks on here have called, emailed complained etc. but with no results but have tried. About the only way things get changed is from the inside (ex: TRUMP). I guess my biggest issue is if you were there for 30 years and can't see the problems and some solutions you got what you wanted a paycheck and retirement. For the record don't know Chuck so i'll stay away from that discussion, but GW's I guess do the best they can with what they have to work with. I agree, to a point . If sgtred has been on the job 30 years he should have a pretty good idea of problems in the department .
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: capehorn24]
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Not for me to say, I was on the inside looking out. Those on the outside looking in , more qualified to make those suggestions, I am like the officer in Crenshaw ,as my career went forward I came to realize that I worked for the hunters and fisherman. We were all in it together. I haven't been gone long enough to have clarity on what changes would benefit both the Dept and the hunters. I believe any change should benefit both mutually, with the resources well-being, being of the utmost concern. Thats a difficult balance, so I think maybe , sometimes the powers that be, should be given the chance to explain their reasoning on any changes. Never going to make everyone happy. Every one is stating their opinion he's mine. That answer is a cop out, if you work somewhere for 30 years you know what works from the inside looking out. You know what the problems are but you come on here wanting every one else to help solve the problems knowing all we can pretty much do is belly ache on the computer screen. Folks on here have called, emailed complained etc. but with no results but have tried. About the only way things get changed is from the inside (ex: TRUMP). I guess my biggest issue is if you were there for 30 years and can't see the problems and some solutions you got what you wanted a paycheck and retirement. For the record don't know Chuck so i'll stay away from that discussion, but GW's I guess do the best they can with what they have to work with. I can promise you from an "insider" viewpoint that the opinions/thoughts/recomendations from the game wardens are ignored and thrown in the waste paper basket at the first opportunity by the administration in Montgomery.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: BhamFred]
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Not for me to say, I was on the inside looking out. Those on the outside looking in , more qualified to make those suggestions, I am like the officer in Crenshaw ,as my career went forward I came to realize that I worked for the hunters and fisherman. We were all in it together. I haven't been gone long enough to have clarity on what changes would benefit both the Dept and the hunters. I believe any change should benefit both mutually, with the resources well-being, being of the utmost concern. Thats a difficult balance, so I think maybe , sometimes the powers that be, should be given the chance to explain their reasoning on any changes. Never going to make everyone happy. Every one is stating their opinion he's mine. That answer is a cop out, if you work somewhere for 30 years you know what works from the inside looking out. You know what the problems are but you come on here wanting every one else to help solve the problems knowing all we can pretty much do is belly ache on the computer screen. Folks on here have called, emailed complained etc. but with no results but have tried. About the only way things get changed is from the inside (ex: TRUMP). I guess my biggest issue is if you were there for 30 years and can't see the problems and some solutions you got what you wanted a paycheck and retirement. For the record don't know Chuck so i'll stay away from that discussion, but GW's I guess do the best they can with what they have to work with. I can promise you from an "insider" viewpoint that the opinions/thoughts/recomendations from the game wardens are ignored and thrown in the waste paper basket at the first opportunity by the administration in Montgomery. Sounds like the same MO used on opinions/thoughts/recommendations from the general public.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries.
[Re: BhamFred]
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Not for me to say, I was on the inside looking out. Those on the outside looking in , more qualified to make those suggestions, I am like the officer in Crenshaw ,as my career went forward I came to realize that I worked for the hunters and fisherman. We were all in it together. I haven't been gone long enough to have clarity on what changes would benefit both the Dept and the hunters. I believe any change should benefit both mutually, with the resources well-being, being of the utmost concern. Thats a difficult balance, so I think maybe , sometimes the powers that be, should be given the chance to explain their reasoning on any changes. Never going to make everyone happy. Every one is stating their opinion he's mine. That answer is a cop out, if you work somewhere for 30 years you know what works from the inside looking out. You know what the problems are but you come on here wanting every one else to help solve the problems knowing all we can pretty much do is belly ache on the computer screen. Folks on here have called, emailed complained etc. but with no results but have tried. About the only way things get changed is from the inside (ex: TRUMP). I guess my biggest issue is if you were there for 30 years and can't see the problems and some solutions you got what you wanted a paycheck and retirement. For the record don't know Chuck so i'll stay away from that discussion, but GW's I guess do the best they can with what they have to work with. I can promise you from an "insider" viewpoint that the opinions/thoughts/recomendations from the game wardens are ignored and thrown in the waste paper basket at the first opportunity by the administration in Montgomery. 100 percent correct.
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