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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: Stob] #3041479
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Originally Posted by Stob
I'm not real fond of the whole WMA check in every morning crap either.


Let a small game guy chime in... I can see the check in / check out daily permits each day with regard to deer and turkey, but good grief at asking small game hunters for that. It's not like they are actively managing for small game on Skyline, Hollins, etc. I maybe can see them being interested in total overall usage if they are trying to figure how much the roads are going to be torn up. And it's not like deer hunters aren't going to mess them up enough to warrant spending about the same amount of time/resources on them to fix them back anyway.

As many of you here have already said, deer and turkey are the money game animals.... they spend the vast majority of their time, effort, resources, and research trying to handle those animals. If you aren't getting the info you need or want from gamecheck on them, then why bother the small game folks with having to keep up with every second we spend on WMAs chasing rabbits, coons, and squirrels?


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ] #3041488
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Do away with Forever Wild.


83% of all statistics are made up.

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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Do away with Forever Wild.


Why?

It's been overwhelmingly approved twice by voters, 92% the first time and more than 80% the second. Legislators cannot touch it. FW actually buys land - buys it, not leases - for public use.

Not all of it is for "hunting" use but it's for public use and a lot of people use and enjoy it. In a roiling sea of negative shi*t it's a good thing.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ] #3041560
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As someone that works closely with DCNR at times I’m going to ask this. How many of y’all have actually gone to a division office and talk with them about what we complain about on here? What about the Montgomery office? I know we like to joke on Buckmasters here but Chuck is there every year walking around and talking to hunters so there’s another opportunity. I talked to him about an thirty minutes last year asking him everything we talk about on here. Besides him DCNR is always represented at this event. Remember folks they work for us and you would be surprised what you can accomplish with a good conversation.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: leroycnbucks] #3041591
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Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
As someone that works closely with DCNR at times I’m going to ask this. How many of y’all have actually gone to a division office and talk with them about what we complain about on here? What about the Montgomery office? I know we like to joke on Buckmasters here but Chuck is there every year walking around and talking to hunters so there’s another opportunity. I talked to him about an thirty minutes last year asking him everything we talk about on here. Besides him DCNR is always represented at this event. Remember folks they work for us and you would be surprised what you can accomplish with a good conversation.


I have.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: Out back] #3041593
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by ikillbux
The reason I cannot take you guys seriously is because you actually say stuff like "Alfa drives deer hunting rules". Oh my everloving Lord, you cannot be serious. Please God, turn your feed store hat around forward and and stop making the rest of us hunters look like low functioning inbreds. I bet you think clumped deer poop is "buck" turds. And folks wonder why Sykes has a condescending opinion about Alabama hunters.

You cannot really say tinfoil buffoonish crap like that, then try to make an intelligent accusation about the DCNR....stop it, just stop it. How many times must I tell you that deer don't even blip the radar, they are a bazillion items down the list of claims cost--and that's ALL you need to know. Completely irrelevant.
Now if you think the Alabama Farmers Federation has something to do with it, that could be. I cannot imagine what or why, but I don't know their operations. Alfa is not the AFF, not in the sense you are implying. I promise you, insurance companies are not concerning themselves with deer hunting, and even if they were, of ALL companies Alfa wouldn't be (good Lord, half the home office executive staff are staunch hunters. You know, the ones you're saying want all the deer gone).

Fact is, we don't give a schit about chuckies opinions. He is a condescending arrogant ass (much like you) and we do not give a damn about his feelings.



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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ] #3041615
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There’s also a lot of really good young up and coming biologists at several WMA’s across the state that will discuss your concerns about about our Deer herd. Like Brae at Martin just to mention one. Stop and talk to them.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: Out back] #3041780
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by ikillbux
The reason I cannot take you guys seriously is because you actually say stuff like "Alfa drives deer hunting rules". Oh my everloving Lord, you cannot be serious. Please God, turn your feed store hat around forward and and stop making the rest of us hunters look like low functioning inbreds. I bet you think clumped deer poop is "buck" turds. And folks wonder why Sykes has a condescending opinion about Alabama hunters.

You cannot really say tinfoil buffoonish crap like that, then try to make an intelligent accusation about the DCNR....stop it, just stop it. How many times must I tell you that deer don't even blip the radar, they are a bazillion items down the list of claims cost--and that's ALL you need to know. Completely irrelevant.
Now if you think the Alabama Farmers Federation has something to do with it, that could be. I cannot imagine what or why, but I don't know their operations. Alfa is not the AFF, not in the sense you are implying. I promise you, insurance companies are not concerning themselves with deer hunting, and even if they were, of ALL companies Alfa wouldn't be (good Lord, half the home office executive staff are staunch hunters. You know, the ones you're saying want all the deer gone).

Fact is, we don't give a schit about chuckies opinions. He is a condescending arrogant ass (much like you) and we do not give a damn about his feelings.


Well said, and if he doesn't believe ALFA sticks their nose in some deer laws and regs he's a dumb ass as well.



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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ] #3041816
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Ikillbux is a moron period.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ] #3041862
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Something I remember seeing years ago. The facts. Y'all can form your own opinion.

In 2000, of the 6.1 million lightweight motor vehicle collisions in the US, 1 million involved animal-vehicle collisions. Deer–vehicle collisions lead to about 200 human deaths and $1.1 billion in property damage every year.[2] State and federal governments, insurance companies, and drivers spend an additional $3 billion in an effort to reduce and manage the increasing number of deer-vehicle collisions.[3] The term "deer-vehicle collision" is commonly annotated throughout safety agencies as DVC.

To say insurance co.s are involved in any way is saying whether you believe $4.1billion is worth addressing. (That's a 20 yo #)

On a side note, what really pisses me off is IF we could totally eliminate that $1.1 billion AND the $3 billion, our vehicle insurance rates would not drop.

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ] #3042024
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They are killing the WMA.

My family and friends quit buying the wma license. We will never hunt them again if we have to sign out for no kills. We aint driving out of the way to check out. Yall dont care nor realize how it hurts to do this. I have to drive 20 miles for no reason just to check out. So we all quit buying the wma license. Each year yall will lose more people.

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: Jakethesnake] #3042029
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Originally Posted by Jakethesnake
They are killing the WMA.

My family and friends quit buying the wma license. We will never hunt them again if we have to sign out for no kills. We aint driving out of the way to check out. Yall dont care nor realize how it hurts to do this. I have to drive 20 miles for no reason just to check out. So we all quit buying the wma license. Each year yall will lose more people.


I have no idea what you are talking about so please explain to me. There is no app for people with smart phones to sign out without the drive? Nothing computerized to sign out with? You HAVE to drive to sign out? And if you don't sign out?

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: centralala] #3042050
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Originally Posted by centralala
Originally Posted by Jakethesnake
They are killing the WMA.

My family and friends quit buying the wma license. We will never hunt them again if we have to sign out for no kills. We aint driving out of the way to check out. Yall dont care nor realize how it hurts to do this. I have to drive 20 miles for no reason just to check out. So we all quit buying the wma license. Each year yall will lose more people.


I have no idea what you are talking about so please explain to me. There is no app for people with smart phones to sign out without the drive? Nothing computerized to sign out with? You HAVE to drive to sign out? And if you don't sign out?


This is my understanding as well, that you have to physically drop off some kind of paper check in-out form when arriving and leaving a WMA.

Like Jake's friends, I'm not driving out of the way to let someone know I'm leaving after hunting tree rats on public land. I don't care what it's for, what other states do or how it's going to affect whatever. I've had to do it in other states and it's a f'king pain in the ass.

So I'm done hunting WMAs because of this.


Some of y'all like to go off on those of us who continue to say that more regulations will affect people. Some of y'all like to say that "it's just $15 for a corn license privilege" or "It's just a permit" or "It's just a closure for special hunts." and if you don't participate you're only a me-first fake hunter/conservationist teat-sucking leech.

Yet before long we have a long list of requirements and mandates and fees that continue to grow. It's like the anti-gunners and anti-hunters chipping away a little at a time, adding just one thing here and there to achieve the goals. Before long they have 10 or 15 things, or a hunting ban, or a gun restriction, or more stuff added to the hunter and angler who just wants to go enjoy a few hours.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ] #3042054
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There’s never going to be 100% satisfaction for 100% of the natural resource users. I would like to see the activities requiring WMA permits expanded and a state level state park pass made available. We’ve got it pretty good here but as with anything there are improvements that can be made. The best thing the director could do for himself is to get a spokesperson to be his public mouthpiece. Game Check isn’t my favorite part of hunting but it’s not exactly the least favorite either. I’ve been critical of some things but I’m not feeling as negative as before.
If they can make sure I see more deer that would be nice. But since I am seeing signs of deer but not too many of them it’s probably something I’m doing.


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I wouldn't mind seeing a statewide park pass, too. As it is now, I can buy an annual for one park but if I go to another I must pay whatever entrance fees for that park.


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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ikillbux] #3042123
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Originally Posted by ikillbux
A statement, then a question.

I do not know Chuck Sykes nor anyone whatsoever in the DCNR. I have never known anyone in the DCNR. I don't work in a business where I have any common ground with DCNR dealings. What I'm saying is I don't pretend to know how a DCNR works, and I always wonder how and why so many people on this site do? Y'all make some passionate, angry accusations against the department as a whole, as if you have deep and complex knowledge of it. Maybe you do, I just don't know how or why.

My question is what does Sykes (or the DCNR) do or not do that you just cannot stand? This isn't me arguing with you, like I said I sincerely don't know (and frankly almost couldn't care less). It seems the biggest problem I see hunters complaining about nowadays is the doe harvest, but that was done by the previous regime. From a low-information viewpoint (which is what I am, along with 99.9% of all other hunters in Alabama) it APPEARS that the current administration is trying to improve the herd structure (my words). I've read the responses above and they are all just "generic", I can't ascertain what specifically he is doing wrong.


Reducing Sykes to specific examples would result in a hamster wheel, but it’s designed to be that way.

Sykes is your standard narcissist. Quite capable of turning on the charm and coming across straight-lace when it suits him but he’s gonna do what he’s gonna do for his own reasons without weighing the opinions of others. He’ll make up whatever reason he needs to support his actions and then if something goes wrong or there is criticism he will point the blame at someone else or get louder and more arrogant. Usually buried in his justifications will be blame or a “Shame on you” for questioning me aura. He is haughty, has no accountability and has no business running a McDonalds much less a state DNR. He is a toxic individual. This description has brought someone in your life to mind, that’s the same guy Sykes is.

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Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
As someone that works closely with DCNR at times I’m going to ask this. How many of y’all have actually gone to a division office and talk with them about what we complain about on here? What about the Montgomery office? I know we like to joke on Buckmasters here but Chuck is there every year walking around and talking to hunters so there’s another opportunity. I talked to him about an thirty minutes last year asking him everything we talk about on here. Besides him DCNR is always represented at this event. Remember folks they work for us and you would be surprised what you can accomplish with a good conversation.



I have, and I totally agree with what you are saying. Goes back to what I said about internet forums. It's easy to come on here and complain, but how many folks have actually TALKED to someone at the State about doing something about it.

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Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ALFisher] #3042388
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Originally Posted by ALFisher
Originally Posted by leroycnbucks
As someone that works closely with DCNR at times I’m going to ask this. How many of y’all have actually gone to a division office and talk with them about what we complain about on here? What about the Montgomery office? I know we like to joke on Buckmasters here but Chuck is there every year walking around and talking to hunters so there’s another opportunity. I talked to him about an thirty minutes last year asking him everything we talk about on here. Besides him DCNR is always represented at this event. Remember folks they work for us and you would be surprised what you can accomplish with a good conversation.



I have, and I totally agree with what you are saying. Goes back to what I said about internet forums. It's easy to come on here and complain, but how many folks have actually TALKED to someone at the State about doing something about it.


I have discussed numerous times with biologist about the extension in the North zone. We were in agreement is was not warranted. But we have it anyway. Talking with people at the State level has happened So, well, you couldn't be anymore wrong with your assumption. Carry on.

Re: DCNR Wildlife and Freshwater fisheries. [Re: ] #3042393
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You don’t have to go to the division office to voice a complaint. An email is just as effective. A LOT of folks emailed Chuck and company about the opening date of turkey season being pushed back.



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