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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: mike35549]
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01/11/20 12:10 PM
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If you guys don't believe it is the guys that hunt the most on the best properties that kills the most big bucks/mature bucks yall are delusional. I got 40 acres here at my house I would bet any of you self professed big buck killers that you cant come hunt it next season and kill 3 mature bucks. I'd bet $10,000 on it. Then the next year I will take the 10k you pay me and I will pay for both of us to hunt in the best club we can find for 5k and we will bet another 10k on who kills the most mature bucks. But you only get to hunt 3 days which should be enough for you to tag out if it is all about skill. Killing 3 mature bucks on 40 acres is not realistic. Heck some years on a 40 acre tract there won’t be a single deer worth killing. A GOOD harvest rate is a mature buck per 350 acres. An exceptional harvest rate is one per 250. People who consistently have opportunities at multiple mature deer have options. Don’t have to be a lot of land either. It could just be a lot of small properties. Between them all something will have a deer worth hunting. Same with turkey killers. People who kill a limit every year may not be hunting the largest best properties. You better believe they have several places to go though.
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: Jim Gray]
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01/11/20 12:23 PM
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I have deer hunted for about 30 years on and off. I am pretty sure I had not killed a deer that was older than 3.5 or one scored over 90"-100" until a few years ago. In the last few years I have killed 7 bucks in the 100"-145" range that were all 4.5 years old or older. The only difference is the last few years I have been able to afford to hunt the best property I could find in my area and I am able to hunt pretty much as much as I can stand. I didn't become a better Hunter I don't hunt harder don't go crazy over sent control don't carry my climber into those out of the way nasty places. I use to do all of that crazy stuff when I got a chance to go. Now I just pretty much make sure the wind is blowing in the right direction. Everyone of those 7 bucks was killed in a Ladder stand, tripod, or green field you can ride a 4 wheeler to.
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: Mbrock]
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01/11/20 12:27 PM
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If you guys don't believe it is the guys that hunt the most on the best properties that kills the most big bucks/mature bucks yall are delusional. I got 40 acres here at my house I would bet any of you self professed big buck killers that you cant come hunt it next season and kill 3 mature bucks. I'd bet $10,000 on it. Then the next year I will take the 10k you pay me and I will pay for both of us to hunt in the best club we can find for 5k and we will bet another 10k on who kills the most mature bucks. But you only get to hunt 3 days which should be enough for you to tag out if it is all about skill. Killing 3 mature bucks on 40 acres is not realistic. Heck some years on a 40 acre tract there won’t be a single deer worth killing. A GOOD harvest rate is a mature buck per 350 acres. An exceptional harvest rate is one per 250. People who consistently have opportunities at multiple mature deer have options. Don’t have to be a lot of land either. It could just be a lot of small properties. Between them all something will have a deer worth hunting. Same with turkey killers. People who kill a limit every year may not be hunting the largest best properties. You better believe they have several places to go though. Not some of these guys Matt they are so skilled they could 3 in 3 days anywhere. The property you hunt and amount of time doesn't matter one bit. They are like deer hunting ninjas.
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: Jim Gray]
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01/11/20 12:50 PM
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ODO has center pinched a mature one for 17 years in a row in the worst area for population. He just knows what works for him. Impressive for sure! Would to hear some tips I share mine all the time
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: BhamFred]
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01/11/20 01:00 PM
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Luck is killing one big buck. Killing one every year ain't luck. very true Fred!
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: mike35549]
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01/11/20 01:30 PM
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If you guys don't believe it is the guys that hunt the most on the best properties that kills the most big bucks/mature bucks yall are delusional. I got 40 acres here at my house I would bet any of you self professed big buck killers that you cant come hunt it next season and kill 3 mature bucks. I'd bet $10,000 on it. Then the next year I will take the 10k you pay me and I will pay for both of us to hunt in the best club we can find for 5k and we will bet another 10k on who kills the most mature bucks. But you only get to hunt 3 days which should be enough for you to tag out if it is all about skill. Killing 3 mature bucks on 40 acres is not realistic. Heck some years on a 40 acre tract there won’t be a single deer worth killing. A GOOD harvest rate is a mature buck per 350 acres. An exceptional harvest rate is one per 250. People who consistently have opportunities at multiple mature deer have options. Don’t have to be a lot of land either. It could just be a lot of small properties. Between them all something will have a deer worth hunting. Same with turkey killers. People who kill a limit every year may not be hunting the largest best properties. You better believe they have several places to go though. Not some of these guys Matt they are so skilled they could 3 in 3 days anywhere. The property you hunt and amount of time doesn't matter one bit. They are like deer hunting ninjas. You are being very unrealistic. Who are these super buck killers that can kill 3 big/mature bucks in 3 days on 40 acres?
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: Jim Gray]
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01/11/20 01:46 PM
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Who has three mature bucks on 40 open, no-fence acres?
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
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Luck is killing one big buck. Killing one every year ain't luck. very true Fred! Yep. Lots lot of stories of very lame hunters stumbling into the woods and killing the buck of a lifetime every year. Usually the only good one they have ever killed.
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!! - - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: 2Dogs]
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01/11/20 02:25 PM
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If you guys don't believe it is the guys that hunt the most on the best properties that kills the most big bucks/mature bucks yall are delusional. I got 40 acres here at my house I would bet any of you self professed big buck killers that you cant come hunt it next season and kill 3 mature bucks. I'd bet $10,000 on it. Then the next year I will take the 10k you pay me and I will pay for both of us to hunt in the best club we can find for 5k and we will bet another 10k on who kills the most mature bucks. But you only get to hunt 3 days which should be enough for you to tag out if it is all about skill. Killing 3 mature bucks on 40 acres is not realistic. Heck some years on a 40 acre tract there won’t be a single deer worth killing. A GOOD harvest rate is a mature buck per 350 acres. An exceptional harvest rate is one per 250. People who consistently have opportunities at multiple mature deer have options. Don’t have to be a lot of land either. It could just be a lot of small properties. Between them all something will have a deer worth hunting. Same with turkey killers. People who kill a limit every year may not be hunting the largest best properties. You better believe they have several places to go though. Not some of these guys Matt they are so skilled they could 3 in 3 days anywhere. The property you hunt and amount of time doesn't matter one bit. They are like deer hunting ninjas. You are being very unrealistic. Who are these super buck killers that can kill 3 big/mature bucks in 3 days on 40 acres? According to you and Fred killing big/mature bucks has nothing to do with the property you hunt or how many days you get to hunt or luck if you kill more than one every 10-15 years. When I said that was what it took to kill them yall said that was horsechit. So if that don't matter yall should be able to kill them anywhere. What I really think is the people that think good property, time to hunt and luck is not what allows them to kill big/mature deer have those things but won't admit that is what allowed them to kill those bucks. They want to think they are some kind of supreme hunter that can kill these deer when other people couldn't. I know more than one person that kills mature deer every year sitting in a shooting house. Ain't no skill to it.
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: Jim Gray]
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01/11/20 02:45 PM
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where in the cornbread hell did you figure I said anything like that???? Luck alone doesn't have a lot to do with CONSISTANTLY killing big old bucks year after year. One maybe, two maybe, but year after year after year sure as hell ain't luck.
good property that actually has older bucks, time to hunt, and experience in all aspects of KILLING big old bucks is way more important than luck alone. I'll take all the luck I can get but I do not rely on it.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: Jim Gray]
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01/11/20 03:19 PM
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Yeah , whereincornbreadhell did I say property has nothing to do with it, Hoss you can't kill em if they ain't there , any dumb ass should understand that. I think that has already been established earlier in the thread. Property alone with some big bucks on it doesn't guarantee you can kill one, even if you go everyday. I think we all know fellers who are in really good clubs and hunt every chance they get that never kill a big/mature buck. That same club usually has a guy who doesn't hunt as much, picks his time and locations and kills one or two every year. He usually does something very different from what those who don't kill do. I think you are just trolling now.
Basically, take a good property put a goofball on there that hunts every chance he gets and a proven killer who hunts limited time. I'll put my $ on the proven killer that picks his days , is a woodsman and student of whitetail bucks every time. Consistency , the guy that kills a stud or two every year will out preform the lucky goofball that hunts nearly every day.
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: BhamFred]
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01/11/20 03:21 PM
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I have hunted a good while and I use to believe it was the guys that was great hunters that killed those big bucks. The more I hunt and the older I get, the more I realize it is the guys that hunt in the places with the most big/old bucks and spend the most time in the woods are the ones that kill most of them. If it was skill and woodmanship more than that those guys would only hunt three days a year and tell you which deer they was gonna go kill on each day. I am the most unlucky Hunter around and nobody will ever mistake me for the great white Hunter. I would bet good money that if I could pick the property you had to hunt and I got to pick any property In the state I wanted to hunt, and we hunted every day I coukd kill more inches of antlers than you. Or we could hunt the same property and you get to pick 3 days to hunt and I get to hunt all the days I wanted we would have the same result. horsechitt. So which part was horsechit. That guys that hunt the best land kill more big bucks. That the guys that get to hunt that land the most kill more than the guys that hardly ever get to hunt. That better property and time to hunt matters more than skill. Since you didn't specify I took it as you believed it was all horsechit.
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: 2Dogs]
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01/11/20 03:26 PM
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Yeah , whereincornbreadhell did I say property has nothing to do with it, Hoss you can't kill em if they ain't there , any dumb ass should understand that. I think that has already been established earlier in the thread. Property alone with some big bucks on it doesn't guarantee you can kill one, even if you go everyday. I think we all know fellers who are in really good clubs and hunt every chance they get that never kill a big/mature buck. That same club usually has a guy who doesn't hunt as much, picks his time and locations and kills one or two every year. He usually does something very different from what those who don't kill do. I think you are just trolling now. That has not been my experience at all. I have been in what I would call two good clubs that kill a good many mature deer. In both situations the guys that year in and year out kill deer was the guys that spent the most time in the woods. They didn't do anything diffrent except hunt twice as much as anyone else.
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: Jim Gray]
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01/11/20 03:42 PM
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I’ve got several spots (small tracts) that you can kill multiple good deer on, but it’s unique I’ll grant you. All land is not created equal, gotta figure out what you do and don’t have. Pinch points to larger tracts and funnels mostly. I have several spots of land 40-60 acres that I never hunt because it just doesn’t have any defining features.You gotta have good deer to kill good deer for sure, but I’ve ran cameras enough to know that it’s important to be there every day during YOUR prime days. Wherever you live. You can kill other people’s good deer passing through. FYI, 90% of the good deer I’ve missed on cameras have been in the AM during the rut. Very few evening pics of good deer in my areas, and a lot of them never show in the daytime except for the rut. It’s not rocket science, it’s harder..... ok that was cheesy lol
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: 2Dogs]
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01/11/20 03:47 PM
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Yeah , whereincornbreadhell did I say property has nothing to do with it, Hoss you can't kill em if they ain't there , any dumb ass should understand that. I think that has already been established earlier in the thread. Property alone with some big bucks on it doesn't guarantee you can kill one, even if you go everyday. I think we all know fellers who are in really good clubs and hunt every chance they get that never kill a big/mature buck. That same club usually has a guy who doesn't hunt as much, picks his time and locations and kills one or two every year. He usually does something very different from what those who don't kill do. I think you are just trolling now.
Basically, take a good property put a goofball on there that hunts every chance he gets and a proven killer who hunts limited time. I'll put my $ on the proven killer that picks his days , is a woodsman and student of whitetail bucks every time. Consistency , the guy that kills a stud or two every year will out preform the lucky goofball that hunts nearly every day. It's useless to argue the obvious. The guys that kill them on the regular will keep killing them and the guys that don't will continue to make excuses. It's easier for them to believe it's nothing but luck and hunting every day.
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Re: Secret to shooting big bucks
[Re: Jim Gray]
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01/11/20 03:51 PM
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I know a feller that has a wall full of bigguns. He just extended his sitting time to 10 pm.
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