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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: G/H] #3004781
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Originally Posted by G/H
Well, well seems like i guessed right, even tho someone told me to stop.🤔 I'm not standing up for the kid but are they pressing charges on the sheriffs son for shooting at the kid and hitting one of the girls there? Kid never should had shot him and these conversations wouldn't be happening

I believe the article says he was not.


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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: WmHunter] #3004782
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I've actually done the same thing that big John did. More than a few times.


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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: Skullworks] #3004796
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Originally Posted by Skullworks
Originally Posted by G/H
Well, well seems like i guessed right, even tho someone told me to stop.🤔 I'm not standing up for the kid but are they pressing charges on the sheriffs son for shooting at the kid and hitting one of the girls there? Kid never should had shot him and these conversations wouldn't be happening

I believe the article says he was not.

Thanks

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I'm in no way excusing this shooting or being antipolice. Bullets work no matter which side the law your on. You don't have to be right you do have to be reasonable in the triers of the facts eyes.


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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: WmHunter] #3004835
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The fact that Big John was not wearing a badge or uniform may be what saves the kids life and gets him convicted of Murder instead of Capital Murder. Everyone in the area knows Big John and sadly, that fact looks like it caused him to be complacent and tragically, cost him his life.


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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: jawbone] #3004838
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Originally Posted by jawbone
The fact that Big John was not wearing a badge or uniform may be what saves the kids life and gets him convicted of Murder instead of Capital Murder. Everyone in the area knows Big John and sadly, that fact looks like it caused him to be complacent and tragically, cost him his life.

That may be true. My question if this kid has a record, he obviously knew this sheriff


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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: Sandmtnslayer] #3004841
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Originally Posted by Sandmtnslayer
Originally Posted by jawbone
The fact that Big John was not wearing a badge or uniform may be what saves the kids life and gets him convicted of Murder instead of Capital Murder. Everyone in the area knows Big John and sadly, that fact looks like it caused him to be complacent and tragically, cost him his life.

That may be true. My question if this kid has a record, he obviously knew this sheriff


But proving he knew him and recognized him will be the issue.

The fact is though, that Big John was liked and respected by all in Lowndes County pretty much. Putting this kid in prison may end up being a death sentence anyways no matter what the conviction ends up being.

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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: WmHunter] #3004849
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I didn't know the man but he seemed very well respected and I have no issue with what ur saying will happen


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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: WmHunter] #3004978
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So the sheriffs son was riding with him, watched his dad get shot, then proceeds to shoot at a different vehicle than the one the shooter was in. Shooting an innocent girl, and no charges were pressed against the son? How is it self defense when they were driving away from the scene. I believe there is a lot there Are not telling us.

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Originally Posted by BibbHunter
So the sheriffs son was riding with him, watched his dad get shot, then proceeds to shoot at a different vehicle than the one the shooter was in. Shooting an innocent girl, and no charges were pressed against the son? How is it self defense when they were driving away from the scene. I believe there is a lot there Are not telling us.

I agree, what if he shot the kid in the back? Would he get charged then?

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Originally Posted by Sandmtnslayer
Originally Posted by jawbone
The fact that Big John was not wearing a badge or uniform may be what saves the kids life and gets him convicted of Murder instead of Capital Murder. Everyone in the area knows Big John and sadly, that fact looks like it caused him to be complacent and tragically, cost him his life.

That may be true. My question if this kid has a record, he obviously knew this sheriff

If i remember correctly, the kid had been in trouble and charges were dropped not long before this happened. I believe that he knew waa the sheriff. Just can't understand why he did it.


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Originally Posted by jawbone
The fact that Big John was not wearing a badge or uniform may be what saves the kids life and gets him convicted of Murder instead of Capital Murder. Everyone in the area knows Big John and sadly, that fact looks like it caused him to be complacent and tragically, cost him his life.

It is capital regardless. It is a capital crime to kill someone by shooting into or out of a vehicle. However, it is not a death eligible capital murder simply for firing out of a vehicle. The punishment would be life without parole. I don’t believe they can get the death penalty in this case. If the sheriff wasn’t on duty, then the death penalty doesn’t come into play for killing a law enforcement officer. The officer has to be on duty and acting in an official capacity.

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Originally Posted by BibbHunter
So the sheriffs son was riding with him, watched his dad get shot, then proceeds to shoot at a different vehicle than the one the shooter was in. Shooting an innocent girl, and no charges were pressed against the son? How is it self defense when they were driving away from the scene. I believe there is a lot there Are not telling us.


It says that the shooter left the scene on foot. Maybe the son hit the other truck by accident trying to shoot his dad's killer as he ran away.


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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: sluggun] #3005249
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Originally Posted by sluggun
Originally Posted by BibbHunter
So the sheriffs son was riding with him, watched his dad get shot, then proceeds to shoot at a different vehicle than the one the shooter was in. Shooting an innocent girl, and no charges were pressed against the son? How is it self defense when they were driving away from the scene. I believe there is a lot there Are not telling us.


It says that the shooter left the scene on foot. Maybe the son hit the other truck by accident trying to shoot his dad's killer as he ran away.


I believe the girl was a passenger in the shooters truck.


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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: WmHunter] #3005312
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WSFA said on the 6pm news yesterday that the boy had pulled his pistol the week before on someone. This was the first time I had heard that mentioned. I heard a while back the boy had several run ins with Big John and knew who he was but that is all heresay.

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Originally Posted by Skullworks
Originally Posted by sluggun
Originally Posted by BibbHunter
So the sheriffs son was riding with him, watched his dad get shot, then proceeds to shoot at a different vehicle than the one the shooter was in. Shooting an innocent girl, and no charges were pressed against the son? How is it self defense when they were driving away from the scene. I believe there is a lot there Are not telling us.


It says that the shooter left the scene on foot. Maybe the son hit the other truck by accident trying to shoot his dad's killer as he ran away.


I believe the girl was a passenger in the shooters truck.


The Advertiser article says this about the court testimony on that:


>>>"Loughridge also said that another shooting occurred after Williams was shot. John Williams Jr., the sheriff’s son, was in the vehicle with his father. Johnson fled the parking lot on foot after shooting Williams, Loughridge said.

The younger Williams got out of the unmarked truck and shot and struck the vehicle driven by Ivy. One of the bullets struck Amber Pippin, Loughridge said. She was a passenger in Ivy’s truck. The younger Williams does not face criminal charges.

Johnson turned himself in to authorities about four hours after the shooting, walking up to the parking lot. Loughridge testified that he was carrying a “loaded” Glock 9mm. semi-automatic handgun at the time.

After being taken into custody and given his rights. Johnson made a statement to investigators that he admitted that he was armed when he got out of the truck and first approached Williams and that he admitted to shooting Williams when he approached his truck."<<<


So it appears that the girl who was shot, apparently just a graze, was in the other truck that pulled up
when Johnson pulled up. It appears that Johnson did not have anyone else in his truck. And it appears
that since the Johnson truck and the Ivy truck pulled up at the same time that they were there at the gas station together.




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Re: Sheriff Williams preliminary hearing testimony [Re: WmHunter] #3005606
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Originally Posted by WmHunter
Originally Posted by Skullworks
Originally Posted by sluggun
Originally Posted by BibbHunter
So the sheriffs son was riding with him, watched his dad get shot, then proceeds to shoot at a different vehicle than the one the shooter was in. Shooting an innocent girl, and no charges were pressed against the son? How is it self defense when they were driving away from the scene. I believe there is a lot there Are not telling us.


It says that the shooter left the scene on foot. Maybe the son hit the other truck by accident trying to shoot his dad's killer as he ran away.


I believe the girl was a passenger in the shooters truck.


The Advertiser article says this about the court testimony on that:


>>>"Loughridge also said that another shooting occurred after Williams was shot. John Williams Jr., the sheriff’s son, was in the vehicle with his father. Johnson fled the parking lot on foot after shooting Williams, Loughridge said.

The younger Williams got out of the unmarked truck and shot and struck the vehicle driven by Ivy. One of the bullets struck Amber Pippin, Loughridge said. She was a passenger in Ivy’s truck. The younger Williams does not face criminal charges.

Johnson turned himself in to authorities about four hours after the shooting, walking up to the parking lot. Loughridge testified that he was carrying a “loaded” Glock 9mm. semi-automatic handgun at the time.

After being taken into custody and given his rights. Johnson made a statement to investigators that he admitted that he was armed when he got out of the truck and first approached Williams and that he admitted to shooting Williams when he approached his truck."<<<


So it appears that the girl who was shot, apparently just a graze, was in the other truck that pulled up
when Johnson pulled up. It appears that Johnson did not have anyone else in his truck. And it appears
that since the Johnson truck and the Ivy truck pulled up at the same time that they were there at the gas station together.





Gotcha.


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Originally Posted by doekiller
Originally Posted by jawbone
The fact that Big John was not wearing a badge or uniform may be what saves the kids life and gets him convicted of Murder instead of Capital Murder. Everyone in the area knows Big John and sadly, that fact looks like it caused him to be complacent and tragically, cost him his life.

It is capital regardless. It is a capital crime to kill someone by shooting into or out of a vehicle. However, it is not a death eligible capital murder simply for firing out of a vehicle. The punishment would be life without parole. I don’t believe they can get the death penalty in this case. If the sheriff wasn’t on duty, then the death penalty doesn’t come into play for killing a law enforcement officer. The officer has to be on duty and acting in an official capacity.


I may be wrong and you may can correct me if I am but isn't the high sheriff of the county considered to always be on duty because he has a jail?


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