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Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3020750
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It is at this point a just in case, they haven't documented yet or determined yet that humans could get from the meat. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it has. About the testing,, It's my understanding that the testing not sophisticated enough yet to pick up CWD very early stages. I might not be right about that, so you need to check. My understanding is half the reason on most response plans for killing deer is to kill enough to determine the prevalence rate. My thought has been ,what does that do for you, it don't get rid of it, don't slow it down much .

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[quote=BhamFred]JMW, CWD has proven to be able to jump the so called "species barrier" way easier than Scrappie or Mad Cow. Mule Deer to Elk toWhitetail Deer to Moose to Reindeer....and beyond in the labs. And some of the human TSEs have 40+ year incubation periods. So yer sure it won't jump to humans???????


I don't doubt it can and will jump species eventually. I'm actually amazed it hasn't shown in cows or pigs yet. I'm just saying that at this time one is more likely to get food poisoning from eating deer meat than CWD. If deer are tested negative (which I'm sure isn't 100% accurate) I think the fear of eating venison is ungrounded compared to the other relative risks one assumes to get said venison. I personally won't eat any deer that hasn't been tested.

If and when it does jump to beef, we'l see research and breakthroughs immediately....

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Mississippi needs more deer tested for CWD, so they increase the bag limit. On February 8&9 in the north CWD zone hunters can take an additional seven deer along with the normal limit. All deer killed must be tested. Dang, them boys must have a lot of deer.


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Originally Posted by Rutabaga
Mississippi needs more deer tested for CWD, so they increase the bag limit. On February 8&9 in the north CWD zone hunters can take an additional seven deer along with the normal limit. All deer killed must be tested. Dang, them boys must have a lot of deer.

I haven’t heard this. Good to know. But there’s not a ton of deer in those areas.

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You can google Clarion Ledger (you get three free articles) just look around and you will find the article.


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Re: CWD [Re: JMW] #3021881
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Originally Posted by JMW
I'm actually amazed it hasn't shown in cows or pigs yet. I'm just saying that at this time one is more likely to get food poisoning from eating deer meat than CWD. If deer are tested negative (which I'm sure isn't 100% accurate) I think the fear of eating venison is ungrounded compared to the other relative risks one assumes to get said venison. I personally won't eat any deer that hasn't been tested.

If and when it does jump to beef, we'l see research and breakthroughs immediately....



Pigs can get it. Why that isn’t bigger news is because the study that discovered this did not let the disease “run its course”. Rather, they slaughtered all the pigs before they went clinical.

As far as accuracy, prion diseases start with a single warped prion that turns into, let’s say, a billion warped prions. The only way for a deer to test “ positive” is for enough prions to be present so that they can reliably be observed. For the first 3-4 months a deer has the disease, it will test “not positive” because the level is somewhere on the low end of one to a billion. It’s kinda like finding a needle in a haystack that first 3-4 months. Nevertheless, if you eat the haystack, you’re gonna eat the needle. No test will ever be able to rule out CWD because every single prion protein in the deer would need to be inspected.

Thus if you are afraid to eat a deer that tests positive, you should also be afraid to eat the negative ones in an area where the disease is prevalent. That’s because roughly 1-4 or 1-5 will have it but test “not positive”. Think about it this way, if your hunting camp kills 20 deer in an area like the outbreak in Tennessee that has a 25 percent infection rate and everyone just eats deer that that test “not positive” then one of you is still probably eating a CWD positive deer that season.. This deer contains infectious proteins that have been shown to kill macaque monkeys and spider monkeys over an extended incubation relative to their lifespans. Those infections proteins have also shown the ability to mutate into different strains that infect species previously immune.

Humans are eating a lot of deer with CWD across the country. Each and every consumption is a new experiment. One researcher called the continued consumption of deer in CWD areas the largest human experiment of all time.

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Originally Posted by Rutabaga
Mississippi needs more deer tested for CWD, so they increase the bag limit. On February 8&9 in the north CWD zone hunters can take an additional seven deer along with the normal limit. All deer killed must be tested. Dang, them boys must have a lot of deer.


Somebody tell Mississippi they won’t get rid of it by testing.

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Originally Posted by Swampdrummin
Originally Posted by JMW
I'm actually amazed it hasn't shown in cows or pigs yet. I'm just saying that at this time one is more likely to get food poisoning from eating deer meat th were an CWD. If deer are tested negative (which I'm sure isn't 100% accurate) I think the fear of eating venison is ungrounded compared to the other relative risks one assumes to get said venison. I personally won't eat any deer that hasn't been tested.

If and when it does jump to beef, we'l see research and breakthroughs immediately....



Pigs can get it. Why that isn’t bigger news is because the study that discovered this did not let the disease “run its course”. Rather, they slaughtered all the pigs before they went clinical.

As far as accuracy, prion diseases start with a single warped prion that turns into, let’s say, a billion warped prions. The only way for a deer to test “ positive” is for enough prions to be present so that they can reliably be observed. For the first 3-4 months a deer has the disease, it will test “not positive” because the level is somewhere on the low end of one to a billion. It’s kinda like finding a needle in a haystack that first 3-4 months. Nevertheless, if you eat the haystack, you’re gonna eat the needle. No test will ever be able to rule out CWD because every single prion protein in the deer would need to be inspected.

Thus if you are afraid to eat a deer that tests positive, you should also be afraid to eat the negative ones in an area where the disease is prevalent. That’s because roughly 1-4 or 1-5 will have it but test “not positive”. Think about it this way, if your hunting camp kills 20 deer in an area like the outbreak in Tennessee that has a 25 percent infection rate and everyone just eats deer that that test “not positive” then one of you is still probably eating a CWD positive deer that season.. This deer contains infectious proteins that have been shown to kill macaque monkeys and spider monkeys over an extended incubation relative to their lifespans. Those infections proteins have also shown the ability to mutate into different strains that infect species previously immune.

Humans are eating a lot of deer with CWD across the country. Each and every consumption is a new experiment. One researcher called the continued consumption of deer in CWD areas the largest human experiment of all time.

Question, do you eat vinison? Have you ever eaten vinison and if you have stopped eating vinison is it because of CWD?


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Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022070
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Originally Posted by Rutabaga

Question, do you eat vinison? Have you ever eaten vinison and if you have stopped eating vinison is it because of CWD?


I've stopped using processors. I don't see any sense in exposing my deer meat to 1,000 other deer that may have CWD.

Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022351
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I have eaten venison (a LOT) all my life. I will stop eating it the day CWD is found anywhere near to where I kill a deer. I won't stop hunting big bucks but I won't eat them.


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Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022499
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Did someone say that the human incubation for this would be maybe 40 years. If that is true might die of something else first. I'm not going to chance it myself,. There really isn't enough information yet to make a good judgment. That's why I believe these different DCNR responses in all these states are half baked, if you don't have all the information you need, you are just shooting in the dark hoping to hit something. I say keep your powder dry until you can see what your shooting at.

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a human form of TSEs is called Kuru, a south Pacific TSE. The incubation period runs about 40 years.

On CWD in deer it runs 2 years plus to 4 and more.


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Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022552
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Troy ,explain to me what knowing the prevalnce rate does, it certainly will not get rid of it, once you have ,you have it.

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Originally Posted by sgtred
Troy ,explain to me what knowing the prevalnce rate does, it certainly will not get rid of it, once you have ,you have it.


It helps understand how quickly the disease spreads. Monitored over time it can help determine if management actions are actually working. In Wisconsin prevalence rates are approaching 60% and its greatly impacted the percentage of mature animals in the population. In areas of Illinois where the state has taken measures to decrease deer populations and minimize direct contact between deer the prevalence rates are 30-50% lower than they are just across the state line in Wisconsin, where they’re doing nothing.

Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022652
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Mr. Brock, Wisconsin has had it longer if I am not mistaken. If I remember correctly Wisconsin started out with a very aggressive approach ,sent teams to try to eradicate the deer in positive areas . I appreciate you answering ,but I was asking for Troy's opinion. Not that yours doesn't count. I know Troy and was curious about his thoughts on it. .

Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022654
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If all deer get it and die I could wake up tomorrow just fine


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If all deer get it and die I could wake up tomorrow just fine


Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
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Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022656
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Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022657
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Yes. I’ll be fine. Reckon there was glitch in skinny’s fine run show here

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Re: CWD [Re: Rutabaga] #3022667
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Just want to say I appreciate these threads. I've been out of the deer game for a while and pathology/disease ecology was never my thing anyway. While it is fun to shoot off about personal experiences these threads have spurred on a little research. Thanks guys. Though I probably need to spend that time working on my current topics it is always good to get back up to speed.

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