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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Edgy] #2983960
12/13/19 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgy


not many folks would stay as cool as Shoemaker and make those shots under that pressure, but he has been in on a couple hundred Brown Bear kills in his career.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Irishguy] #2983963
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Originally Posted by Irishguy
The militaries of the World use 9mm, because they aren't trying to kill people they are trying to wound them.

Hate to disagree with our resident chef, but the militaries of the world choose the low bidder. Has nothing to do with lethality.


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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Out back] #2983967
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by Irishguy
The militaries of the World use 9mm, because they aren't trying to kill people they are trying to wound them.

Hate to disagree with our resident chef, but the militaries of the world choose the low bidder. Has nothing to do with lethality.


They take both into consideration, or else all the world's armies would be shooting 22 rimfires.

Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984121
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Deer get shot in the bread basket with 200 gr bullets and run off. Not sure why you are disappointed.


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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: BPI] #2984122
12/13/19 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by Irishguy
The militaries of the World use 9mm, because they aren't trying to kill people they are trying to wound them.

Hate to disagree with our resident chef, but the militaries of the world choose the low bidder. Has nothing to do with lethality.

Originally Posted by BPI
Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by Irishguy
The militaries of the World use 9mm, because they aren't trying to kill people they are trying to wound them.

Hate to disagree with our resident chef, but the militaries of the world choose the low bidder. Has nothing to do with lethality.


They take both into consideration, or else all the world's armies would be shooting 22 rimfires.


Missed the post about sarcasm...

Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: BhamFred] #2984142
12/13/19 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by Edgy


not many folks would stay as cool as Shoemaker and make those shots under that pressure, but he has been in on a couple hundred Brown Bear kills in his career.


I had a pretty good debate with a fellow on FB about this very article. I made the statement that, I bet MOST ppl using proper ammo (read hardcast lead) would stand a better chance stopping a grizzly with a 9mm than a 44 mag. He lost his crap and accused me of all sorts of stuff like being a 9mm fanboy etc.

1st of all, every handgun I own except a few are .40. I dont carry a 9 and hardly ever shoot one. That being said, I would say more folks can put 9mm bullets on target MUCH faster and effectively than a 44 or any other big bore. 44 is a sweetheart compared to a bunch of these Alaska style handcannons. I only know maybe one or 2 folks who can rapidly AND ACCURATELY shoot a 44 mag. I own a SW 629 and admit I suck with it.

You’re counting on a bullet striking the brain or spinal cord to shut down a charging critter. Shooting them in the vitals does no good. You can’t explain this stuff to ppl though.


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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984149
12/13/19 08:06 PM
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I've read a bunch of what Shoemaker has written on bears. He usually carries a 44mag but wanted to carry something lighter while guiding fishing. He did a LOT of research on 9mm loads before he carried one guiding.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984150
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Phil Shoemaker has seen more bears killed than most. If Bama had a bear season and Phil told me to set up in a McDonald's parking lot I would man knows bears.


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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Out back] #2984152
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by Irishguy
The militaries of the World use 9mm, because they aren't trying to kill people they are trying to wound them.

Hate to disagree with our resident chef, but the militaries of the world choose the low bidder. Has nothing to do with lethality.


So the militaries of the world can't get low bidder brand X in a stouter caliber?



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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984153
12/13/19 08:08 PM
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I take care of people all the time that get shot. A 9mm will kill you just as dead as a 45. The hole night not be as big but depending on what you hit it don’t matter. I promise the person that gets shot doesn’t say. I’m glad they only used a 9mm.

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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984189
12/13/19 09:03 PM
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124gr Hornady XTP, Federal HST or Speer Gold Dots will do you well from a 9mm. I've finished several car hit deer with my 9mm and Hornady XTPs. One of my uncle's was climbing down from a stand years ago and had 3 does come in on him @ less than 10 yards. He proceeded to shoot one of them with a 9mm, unknow bullets, she bled pretty good for a short distance but never recovered her. I killed her 2 weeks later when she came limping out into a green field. He hit the shoulder but it failed to penetrate. I want a 10mm just for this purpose.

Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984288
12/14/19 01:08 AM
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Just carry a 357 and be done with it .

Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Mbrock] #2984290
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Talk to ppl who deal with gun shot victims on a regular basis. They’ll tell you all you should know about a 9 mm. They’re not high on the efficient performance list.

im going to have to disagree with you on that Matt. the FBI, Secret Service and a few other federal agencies have switched back to the 9mm for duty weapons

here are some links explaining
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4-7e80-11e5-afce-2afd1d3eb896_story.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-secret-service-switching-9mm-glock-pistols/story?id=64719349

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2019/8/23/9mm-resurgence-why-the-fbi-police-went-back/


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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984294
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I don't own a semiauto handgun but I do shoot the same calibre bullet out of my carry everywhere pistol but its a 357
It will get the job done every time


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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984315
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That 357 will also push them a heck of alot faster than a 9mm too. Especially a short barrel concealed carry 9mm.

Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984323
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The 400cor-bon is running close to the 10mm and 357 mag.

I've shot three 100lb's dogs and it worked well on them

Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984324
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It's all about shot placement. The 9mm's claim to fame has always been their capacity.


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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984334
12/14/19 08:13 AM
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several Federal agencies tried bigger handguns but found that the sissy lawyers and girly girls couldn't handle the heavier recoil and reverted to the 9mms. FACT.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: BhamFred] #2984352
12/14/19 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
several Federal agencies tried bigger handguns but found that the sissy lawyers and girly girls couldn't handle the heavier recoil and reverted to the 9mms. FACT.


This ^
Ever wonder why the NYPD surrounds a perp and everybody dumps their mag if one shot goes off? It ain’t cause 9mm is a badass thumper. It’s because they want to go home at the end of their shift.


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Re: Bit disappointed in my 9mm [Re: Bulls eye] #2984357
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I’ve been shooting a 9mm for thirty years. Mostly due to its size for a CC. And if I were a bad guy, deer or hog I wouldn’t want to be on the other end of my shot placement. And that goes for my 38, 357, 44 and 22. Shot often if you want to shoot well and know your ammo.


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