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Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981155
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May not be a biological not to kill them but for management reason it best not to kill them. Imo!!!!!!

Place to place may differ but Imo leaving spots alone is best in any place

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981159
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Big difference in killing a spot and one in January. One in January has a better chance to make it to the next year.

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Clem] #2981161
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Originally Posted by Clem

Feelings.





I know that wasn't pointed at me . Lol

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Clem] #2981180
12/10/19 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Clem

Feelings.



Yep.

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981188
12/10/19 06:10 PM
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You're correct, Frankie, it was not.

There's no other good way to say it except feelings come into play. We - hunters - just don't shoot spotted fawns, whether it's biologically OK or not. It's just how we are. Our normal instincts kick in, along probably with some Disney garbage and fear of being ridiculed by others. But mostly, we just don't and can't do it.

Which leads back to the "WTF was it even changed for?" question and why. Someone, somewhere did something or wants something.

If not, and if the Deparment is just cleaning books and old-outdated-stupid regulations, then I would like to see the "No light attached to a rifle" repealed. I can go coon hunting and hold a light and rifle in the same hand shining a coon, but if I attach that light to the rifle with tape, wire, a rail or anything else it's suddenly illegal. I can't take an AR in 22-caliiber and create a cool coon (or hog) hunting rifle with an attached light and optic because, God forbid, someone might shoot a deer. So we can't have an attached light. We can hunt with suppressors and thermal imaging but I can't put a light on a rifle for coons, coyotes or hogs? Idiotic.

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Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Frankie] #2981189
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Originally Posted by Frankie
Big difference in killing a spot and one in January. One in January has a better chance to make it to the next year.



Unless you kill it.

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: 280REM] #2981196
12/10/19 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 280REM
Damned if we don't have more deer today than we did 30 years ago.


this^^^^^^^^^ is incorrect, you obliviously wern't deer hunting 30-40 years ago. Most if not all the places I hunted in the 60's to mid 80's have 1/2 to 1/4 the numbers we had then.


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Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981200
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Fred's right about the numbers.


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Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981201
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i didn't read all 8 pages. But I don't shoot them cause there isn't enough meat on them. Though maybe it is like veal....not really, the last yearling I shot didn't taste any better than any other non-mature buck.

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981212
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Amazing that killing a tiny spotted baby deer over a corn pile is 100% legal this year in Alabama.

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981217
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One time back in the early 80's my godfather shot a little doe, of which my dad said had spots ( probably stretching the truth). When he brought it up to the house my sister saw it and yelled out, "Tom shot Bambi." We still tell that story today and he never lived it down.

Alabama sure has some funny laws. Hunt with dogs and bait while not shooting ones considered too young is sure different than other areas. Not saying worse, just different.

Heck, I remember living in mobile when a father and daughter were put in jail for becoming an item. They interviewed a relative who said, "no law can keep them apart cause they're in love." I feel the same about this law. Is it really important enough that it is needed?

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Clem] #2981226
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Originally Posted by Clem

Fred's right about the numbers.



X3

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: 280REM] #2981238
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Originally Posted by 280REM
Originally Posted by Frankie
Big difference in killing a spot and one in January. One in January has a better chance to make it to the next year.



Unless you kill it.




As I stated if I don't see a lot of yearling deer I won't take from that pool. If I see lots of does, killing a couple yearling does ain't hurting my herd. Plus that's two mouths outof my garden .

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: BhamFred] #2981241
12/10/19 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by 280REM
Damned if we don't have more deer today than we did 30 years ago.


this^^^^^^^^^ is incorrect, you obliviously wern't deer hunting 30-40 years ago. Most if not all the places I hunted in the 60's to mid 80's have 1/2 to 1/4 the numbers we had then.


The population estimates over time don't reflect those numbers. 1970 estimated @ 400,000 deer. Peaked in 2000 at @ 2 Million. Current estimates are @ 1.6 Million. The distribution of the population has changed dramatically. Many places have lots of deer that had none or very few back in the 70s when I started hunting.

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981244
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Game Check number's show we need more spotted fawns killed! Sarcasm....

Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981248
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do you really believe those numbers?????? If so yer an idiot.

I was involved personally in the 1980 population estimates as a NEW GW in Hale Co. The dept asked us(all GWs) to personally estimate the number of deer, rabbit, turkey, skewerls , in our respective counties. In other words PULL A NUMBER OUT OF OUR ASSES....cause that is exactly what it was. Dept added up the numbers and came up with a state population. Horsechitt at the very highest level.

In 1975 in Sumpter Co I counted over 1000 deer on two drive arounds, one late afternoon, ate supper, the did it again with a spotlight....same day..... 1000 deer. One would be damn lucky to see 200 deer today on the same miles and times driven.

2million in 2000 and 1.6 million now is not an increase...it's a 400,000 loss.


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Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: BhamFred] #2981261
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
do you really believe those numbers?????? If so yer an idiot.

I was involved personally in the 1980 population estimates as a NEW GW in Hale Co. The dept asked us(all GWs) to personally estimate the number of deer, rabbit, turkey, skewerls , in our respective counties. In other words PULL A NUMBER OUT OF OUR ASSES....cause that is exactly what it was. Dept added up the numbers and came up with a state population. Horsechitt at the very highest level.

In 1975 in Sumpter Co I counted over 1000 deer on two drive arounds, one late afternoon, ate supper, the did it again with a spotlight....same day..... 1000 deer. One would be damn lucky to see 200 deer today on the same miles and times driven.

2million in 2000 and 1.6 million now is not an increase...it's a 400,000 loss.



I said we have more deer now than 30 years ago. 2000 is 19 years ago. I have no way to vouch for the numbers. I can only read what's put out. The deer kill numbers are the lowest they've been in 40+ years, but we also have half the number of licensed hunters we did 40 years ago.

I hunted Marengo County in the late 70s early 80s. I know there's not near the numbers there that there were then, but I also know seeing a buck with anything more than a forked horn rack was rare too. (That had a lot to do with the old fools in the club I was in I'm sure that wouldn't shoot a doe, but would shoot 15 spikes a year and crow about every single one of them) I also know I never saw a deer in the Jefferson County suburb where I lived in the 70s, or 80s, and now they are pests there. Things change. This state long ago missed the boat on managing deer herds.

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Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981271
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Maybe, JUST MAYBE this whole thing is to take "discretion" out of the equation for GWs when writing tickets.

At what level of "spot" is it considered "spotted"?
10+ spots?
1 spot?
What if it is piebald?
What if no longer visible unless in direct sunlight?

New rule would cut that out. It's a deer. It is dead. The end.


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Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: Coosa1] #2981623
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in 26 years of enforcement I never saw an issue like you speak of Hippi. Only saw on spotted fawn killed in all that time. Ticket issued...fawn had plenty of spots too.

Piebalds ain't spotted.

no sportsman has any business shooting 30 pound fawns . if ya do yer killing 50+% bucks anyway.


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Re: Shooting fawns legal now? [Re: BhamFred] #2981713
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Originally Posted by BhamFred

no sportsman has any business shooting 30 pound fawns . if ya do yer killing 50+% bucks anyway.



I don't believe any of them will. If they do, that's on them.

But I see this as similar to "One (1) Buck a Day." that we had for so long. Who did that? Who shot 110 bucks? No one.

I still think there's some unknown agenda we're not aware of yet with this fawn change.

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