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Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" #2960206
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I keep seeing a lot of this on Facebook, twitter, overheard in conversation, etc............Everyone (average Joe's) keep saying that it will scare off NFL teams, even if he makes a full recovery. I saw an article yesterday, though, from a form NFL scout who says otherwise.

According to this guy, every injury the guy has had has been a freak thing....ankles getting rolled up on, having 2 guys fall on him and landing weirdly causing a hip to dislocate, etc. It's not like he was just running and pulled up lame with an injury. These have all been common injuries that happen to players all the time, he's just been unfortunate enough to have them all happen to him. If you want to make the argument that he hangs onto the ball too long or needs to learn more when to slide, then that's a different discussion.

But, according to this guy (who would know better than 99.99% of people speculating, including the various media idiots on TV), assuming Tua makes a complete recovery, none of his injury history will hurt his NFL prospects.


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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960215
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Hopefully for him he will.


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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960220
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I love Tua, but as an objective bystander, I think it will be much harder for him to get drafted now. He certainly will, but not as highly. The injury he sustained is one that is typically seen in car wrecks. It's horrible. Anyone not looking at playing for mega millions would never suit up again.

Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960224
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If it’s just a case of “ bad luck” Tua desperately needs to get all of his native people to perform a dance or sacrifice a virgin and please the great Aumakua.


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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: RareBreed] #2960225
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Originally Posted by RareBreed
If it’s just a case of “ bad luck” Tua desperately needs to get all of his native people to perform a dance or sacrifice a virgin and please the great Aumakua.



Tua is a Christian. And pretty outspoken about it, if you haven't noticed.

Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960226
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As to whether or not he is injury prone, the proof is in the pudding and you can't argue about that. Now if you want to say it was just bad luck or freak accidents, that is something that no one can know or not, but you can't deny he has been, at least up to this point, injury prone. I hope he makes a complete recovery and has a great NFL career. I think he will be a lot better role model for our young kids than the like of Keapernick (SP?).


Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: jawbone] #2960230
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Originally Posted by jawbone
As to whether or not he is injury prone, the proof is in the pudding and you can't argue about that. Now if you want to say it was just bad luck or freak accidents, that is something that no one can know or not, but you can't deny he has been, at least up to this point, injury prone. I hope he makes a complete recovery and has a great NFL career. I think he will be a lot better role model for our young kids than the like of Keapernick (SP?).


This guy's point was that "injury prone" suggests he gets injured more easily than the average player, or that things the average player wouldn't be injured by tend to injure him. But the injuries he has sustained would have been an injury for anyone....getting your ankle rolled up on sideways, or landing on his hip with 2 guys on top of him like he did this weekend. Any player, in those situations would have likely sustained the same injuries.


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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960232
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by jawbone
As to whether or not he is injury prone, the proof is in the pudding and you can't argue about that. Now if you want to say it was just bad luck or freak accidents, that is something that no one can know or not, but you can't deny he has been, at least up to this point, injury prone. I hope he makes a complete recovery and has a great NFL career. I think he will be a lot better role model for our young kids than the like of Keapernick (SP?).


This guy's point was that "injury prone" suggests he gets injured more easily than the average player, or that things the average player wouldn't be injured by tend to injure him. But the injuries he has sustained would have been an injury for anyone....getting your ankle rolled up on sideways, or landing on his hip with 2 guys on top of him like he did this weekend. Any player, in those situations would have likely sustained the same injuries.


The Good Lord may just have other plans for his life than football, but he does get an extraordinary amount of injuries, call it bad luck or whatever. I really don't think that at that level any of the players are more "fragile" than the others, some are just unluckier than others and have injuries that no one can just play through. I don't think anyone with any sense, certainly not I, is saying he isn't tough, because not a single player out there could have played through what has happened to him. In fact, I have the opposite view. I think he tough and a real gamer to come back from the last injury as fast as he did. Just want to make that clear.


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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960234
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"Gentlemen, we can re-build him ... we have the technology" .... Tua will be the modern-day Steve Austin ...



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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960284
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Injury prone just means he may not have the innate ability to avoid these awkward hits. Some players can avoid them, see Russell Wilson, who also runs a lot but is almost always in control when he goes to the ground. He's never injured or nicked up and is one of the most durable players in the NFL. But the current NFL infatuation with mobile quarterbacks has a caveat - their shelf life is usually short because once they have a major injury which affects mobility, they are never quite as good.

Tua can make a full recovery and while he is a mobile QB, the NFL loves him for his arm. He's got very good arm strength and outstanding accuracy, which they LOVE. That's why I believe he will still be a top 10 draft pick next spring, unless something goes horribly wrong in his recovery. Even if he's not a runner. He can make ALL of the throws, which hopefully will translate into a long career.


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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960302
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Three surgeries in two years seems like a lot.


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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Three surgeries in two years seems like a lot.

I don't disagree....I'm just saying that this NFL Scout says that when you take into account each situation, it doesn't necessarily indicate he's more likely to get injured in the future than anyone else.


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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone" [Re: GomerPyle] #2960323
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by jawbone
As to whether or not he is injury prone, the proof is in the pudding and you can't argue about that. Now if you want to say it was just bad luck or freak accidents, that is something that no one can know or not, but you can't deny he has been, at least up to this point, injury prone. I hope he makes a complete recovery and has a great NFL career. I think he will be a lot better role model for our young kids than the like of Keapernick (SP?).


This guy's point was that "injury prone" suggests he gets injured more easily than the average player, or that things the average player wouldn't be injured by tend to injure him. But the injuries he has sustained would have been an injury for anyone....getting your ankle rolled up on sideways, or landing on his hip with 2 guys on top of him like he did this weekend. Any player, in those situations would have likely sustained the same injuries.

He lived in a medical tent for an entire season he is injury prone

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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Three surgeries in two years seems like a lot.

I don't disagree....I'm just saying that this NFL Scout says that when you take into account each situation, it doesn't necessarily indicate he's more likely to get injured in the future than anyone else.


There's been a pile of scouts and GMs that's missed on qbs over the years. Heck, Brady went in the 5th round. Lol


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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Three surgeries in two years seems like a lot.


4 surgeries. He got his knee cleaned up last year after the final game. Left ankle and a knee last year, right ankle and and now the hip, this year All in the past 18 months.

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Those ankle surgeries aren't required for healing. They just speed up the process

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I hope you are right. I hope he gets drafted in the first round and plays 20yrs in the NFL and makes a billion dollars. Im not a scout or pro team owner, all I have is my opinion and I hope it ts wrong. In my opinion he has weak legs. I hope im wrong.

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Y’all did see the other guys carted off the field Saturday right? Most athletes who go all out to make a play are more injury prone. Injuries are part of the game. You cannot deny that the guys has a heart for the game and wants to compete at a high level. Don’t be surprised if he proves a lot of people wrong in a few months.


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Originally Posted by Remington270
Originally Posted by RareBreed
If it’s just a case of “ bad luck” Tua desperately needs to get all of his native people to perform a dance or sacrifice a virgin and please the great Aumakua.



Tua is a Christian. And pretty outspoken about it, if you haven't noticed.


Aumakua not pleased. Punish Tua with anger of a thousand volcanoes.

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Originally Posted by MarkBAMA
Y’all did see the other guys carted off the field Saturday right? Most athletes who go all out to make a play are more injury prone. Injuries are part of the game. You cannot deny that the guys has a heart for the game and wants to compete at a high level. Don’t be surprised if he proves a lot of people wrong in a few months.

This could be the case. I dont think he knows how to take a hit. It looks to me like he tenses up and struggles against going down. I dont know if that makes sense. Jalen hurts almost looks like he goes limp when hes going down. I think jalen takes a hit alot better, or in a way that hes less likely to get hurt. Just something ive noticed about the two of them. Tua seems to fight it and get twisted around alot.

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