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SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue #2953693
11/12/19 12:40 PM
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"A survivor and relatives of nine victims filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Remington in 2015, saying the company should have never sold such a dangerous weapon to the public and alleging it targeted younger, at-risk males in marketing and product placement in violent video games."


Fox

Can't believe the Supreme Court allowed this to continue.

Last edited by TexasNative; 11/12/19 12:40 PM.
Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953703
11/12/19 12:51 PM
11/12/19 12:51 PM
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I read that this morning.

The decision of the SCOTUS is really based on the procedural posture of the case and the SCOTUS procedural rules.

It is very hard to have SCOTUS review a *state* court case before it has been fully adjudicated in the state court system - but I agree that it
is a very bad precedent for any court to say that the "marketing" exception to gun manufacturer immunity could apply.

I think the Connecticut Supreme Court let the case go forward without actual proof and evidence that "improper" or "illegal" marketing *caused*
the Sandy Hook shootings >>> because I think that this is just a pleading/pleading stage issue, not a factual merits issue at this point.

I think this case will and should fail when it goes back to the state trial court on evidentiary grounds.
In other words, where is the proof that anything Remington did to market the subject AR-15 actually caused the Sandy Hook shootings?

The mom who bought it and the kid who used it are both dead.
So the plaintiffs will have a virtually impossible to meet burden of proof.

Last edited by WmHunter; 11/12/19 12:54 PM.

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Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953709
11/12/19 12:55 PM
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It's the increasingly common mentality that somebody else has to be to blame....It has to be somebody else's fault. It's the same people that look at "gun violence" and say "well, we have to do something!" They refuse to accept that evil people will find a way to do evil things, regardless of the lengths to which you go to prevent it.


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1. All Politicians Are Liars
2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement
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Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953715
11/12/19 12:59 PM
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^^ Truth


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Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953718
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So I guess now everyone who has ever been killed in a DUI car accident can sue Chevy, Ford, etc.

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953720
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There families can sue, I should say.

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953723
11/12/19 01:07 PM
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An AR15 was used in that church shooting. An AR15 was also used to kill that shooter. It is not the gun.......


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Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953787
11/12/19 02:22 PM
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They may be thinking it is too early and anticipate that they will see this case again shortly.


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Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: GomerPyle] #2953803
11/12/19 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle

It's the increasingly common mentality that somebody else has to be to blame....It has to be somebody else's fault. It's the same people that look at "gun violence" and say "well, we have to do something!" They refuse to accept that evil people will find a way to do evil things, regardless of the lengths to which you go to prevent it.


^^^^^^


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Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953817
11/12/19 03:03 PM
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Next folks can sue auto makers because someone got killed in a wreck.


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Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953835
11/12/19 03:22 PM
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Y’all would not believe how many assault rifles went to scrap yard from Remington in the last month. Brand new in box. Wonder if it has something to do with this?

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: WmHunter] #2953836
11/12/19 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WmHunter
I read that this morning.

The decision of the SCOTUS is really based on the procedural posture of the case and the SCOTUS procedural rules.

It is very hard to have SCOTUS review a *state* court case before it has been fully adjudicated in the state court system - but I agree that it
is a very bad precedent for any court to say that the "marketing" exception to gun manufacturer immunity could apply.

I think the Connecticut Supreme Court let the case go forward without actual proof and evidence that "improper" or "illegal" marketing *caused*
the Sandy Hook shootings >>> because I think that this is just a pleading/pleading stage issue, not a factual merits issue at this point.

I think this case will and should fail when it goes back to the state trial court on evidentiary grounds.
In other words, where is the proof that anything Remington did to market the subject AR-15 actually caused the Sandy Hook shootings?

The mom who bought it and the kid who used it are both dead.
So the plaintiffs will have a virtually impossible to meet burden of proof.

Good analysis.

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: crocker] #2953837
11/12/19 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by crocker
Y’all would not believe how many assault rifles went to scrap yard from Remington in the last month. Brand new in box. Wonder if it has something to do with this?

Which scrap yard?


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There is 2 different high fence. 1 small and one big! Mine was free range in the big pen and was not a breeder buck. Why does it have to be twisted around??
Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: crocker] #2953881
11/12/19 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by crocker
Y’all would not believe how many assault rifles went to scrap yard from Remington in the last month. Brand new in box. Wonder if it has something to do with this?



how do you know this information?

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953883
11/12/19 04:24 PM
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So wouldn’t it be nice if a soldier could sue the government for malpractice

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953885
11/12/19 04:25 PM
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Why can't they sue the makers of those violent video games in which the products were placed? This is stupid.

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953923
11/12/19 05:12 PM
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didnt the shooter use pistols? the ar15 was in the trunk, no one even knew about it until police were seen removing it from the car. the shooter could not have put it there because he never made it back to his vehicle therefore it was never even used in the shooting.

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953927
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stock up on lower receivers about to be worth their weight in gold again

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953943
11/12/19 05:30 PM
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Makes about as much sense as suing the Crock Pot Mnf., because of the Boston Bombers.

Re: SCOTUS allows Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue [Re: DryFire] #2953945
11/12/19 05:30 PM
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Typical.


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