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Leupold CDS #2935269
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I have a Leupold Vx ii. Hoping to go on a antelope hunt in 2020. I believe that I can order a CDS for this scope to go with my Savage 30-06. Just looking for some information of what I need to do to get the dial and what suggestions y'all have. If like to use it for all long range shooting. I usually shoot 150 grain for whitetail and hear you can use the same for pronghorn. But elk in the future would be a different story, would probably just need to order a second CDS specific to a larger load for elk in the future.


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Re: Leupold CDS [Re: AUwrestler] #2935312
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Ideally you need chronometer data from your specific rifle and specific load. From there you obtain ballistic coefficients on your bullet, tell them average elevation, temperature, humidity, and they print your dial. I did this on my 30-06 and it was reasonably accurate out to 550 yards which is all I can shoot.

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Or just stick with the moa or mil turret that’s on it and download a free ballistic app and have exactly the dope you need for any temp, elevation, humidity.


Give me bout 15 more minutes, I was dreamin about beavers..........
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Originally Posted by hunterturf
Or just stick with the moa or mil turret that’s on it and download a free ballistic app and have exactly the dope you need for any temp, elevation, humidity.


Neither option works without knowing the velocity

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Until your credit card gets hit for the tag you ain't gonna know the elevation. To me, that's the biggest barrier. The rest I can figure out. That factor alone has kept me on the moa turret.


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You don't need a turret for shooting out to 300 yards, or even more if you have a place to put in the practice.


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Re: Leupold CDS [Re: AUwrestler] #2935856
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Dialing with Leupold is about as unpredictable as Trump’s Tweets.

Goodluck but no way I’d even consider that on an out of state hunt.


You're only as good as your worst shot-
Re: Leupold CDS [Re: AUwrestler] #2935860
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To me the benefit of the CDS system is the foolproof simplicity of the process. You want to zero at 200 yards and feel like you can hold at various points to 350 cuz you’ve been practicing? Go for it. You have time to dial the yardage, great, just turn the dial. No interpretation or misjudgment under a pressure situation.

Downside is the specificity of the dial to your load and environment. Once you get elevation and temp at least in the ballpark, it’s not that big of a deal IMO. I think large impact differences could be observed between sea level and 12,000 feet when out at long range, but if you are at least in the ballpark it’s still dead deer/elk. I’ve heard a rule of thumb of 5000 ft making a noticeable difference.

To me hunting is so dang expensive that the cost of a couple dials aren’t that big of a deal. At least as long as you have time to plan and you know what your rifle likes. I’m not a dang sniper and I value simplicity under pressure. If I am ever able to get back out west to hunt I’ll have a dial-by-yardage type turret.

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6-7 inches at 100 yards for 4500 ft elevation change with 300 wsm makes it unusable, unless you know for certainty where that tag is gonna be. Just my experience. I find it better to spend an extra day on the front end of the hunt and figure out your ballistics when you know how that rifle is gonna shoot where you are. In other words, go to 7200 feet at 42 degrees and shoot 15-20 rounds. You can try to back into with moa data, but it just isn't the same IMHO.


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Re: Leupold CDS [Re: M48scout] #2935951
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Originally Posted by M48scout
To me the benefit of the CDS system is the foolproof simplicity of the process. You want to zero at 200 yards and feel like you can hold at various points to 350 cuz you’ve been practicing? Go for it. You have time to dial the yardage, great, just turn the dial. No interpretation or misjudgment under a pressure situation.

Downside is the specificity of the dial to your load and environment. Once you get elevation and temp at least in the ballpark, it’s not that big of a deal IMO. I think large impact differences could be observed between sea level and 12,000 feet when out at long range, but if you are at least in the ballpark it’s still dead deer/elk. I’ve heard a rule of thumb of 5000 ft making a noticeable difference.

To me hunting is so dang expensive that the cost of a couple dials aren’t that big of a deal. At least as long as you have time to plan and you know what your rifle likes. I’m not a dang sniper and I value simplicity under pressure. If I am ever able to get back out west to hunt I’ll have a dial-by-yardage type turret.

The fallacy of what your saying is you are assuming that the CDS system on a Leupold scope is foolproof. Plenty of evidence to the contrary on that one, especially on a VX 2 model like the OP is using. If you are looking for foolproof turret dialing, there are MUCH better options.


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Re: Leupold CDS [Re: AUwrestler] #2935991
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I haven't experienced those issues with my scope, but if they are common, thanks for throwing it out there. I'd appreciate a link to folks discussing the problem. I don't think CDS is without drawbacks, but I like the "dial by yardage' approach.


6 inches @ 100yds is a massive difference, yes. I'm not familiar with that large of a change in 4000-5000 ft, but I have not shot it to see for myself. So, good input if that's the case.

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My boss missed 4 antelopes under 150yds this week in WY. His CDS was set for 660’ elevation said aw it’ll be fine. Up there it mattered


Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
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I put one on my muzzle loader and I love it. Sighted it in at 100, dialed it in to 200 and it printed a 2" group right on the dot.


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Re: Leupold CDS [Re: joshm28] #2937350
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Originally Posted by joshm28
Originally Posted by hunterturf
Or just stick with the moa or mil turret that’s on it and download a free ballistic app and have exactly the dope you need for any temp, elevation, humidity.


Neither option works without knowing the velocity


Fully aware, just making op aware of the benefits of leaving the original dial on vs the cds


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Re: Leupold CDS [Re: 257wbymag] #2937387
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
My boss missed 4 antelopes under 150yds this week in WY. His CDS was set for 660’ elevation said aw it’ll be fine. Up there it mattered


Your boss can’t blame those on the CDS. If it were zero’d at 100 or 200 yards in Al there’s no way the elevation made a “minute of prairie goat” difference.

Did he not confirm zero in WY prior to hunting? Shouldn’t have had to touch a dial at under 150.


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Lmao he took 7 bullets with him. So no. He didn’t shoot when he landed. When he called me I lmao at him


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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
Lmao he took 7 bullets with him. So no. He didn’t shoot when he landed. When he called me I lmao at him


🤦🏼‍♂️😂 That sounds like something my dad would do!


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My CDS is dead on from 100-400 yards and I love it..

Re: Leupold CDS [Re: M48scout] #2937723
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Originally Posted by M48scout
I haven't experienced those issues with my scope, but if they are common, thanks for throwing it out there. I'd appreciate a link to folks discussing the problem. I don't think CDS is without drawbacks, but I like the "dial by yardage' approach.


6 inches @ 100yds is a massive difference, yes. I'm not familiar with that large of a change in 4000-5000 ft, but I have not shot it to see for myself. So, good input if that's the case.


Ya'll know I agree about the Leupold scopes unreliability on dialing. That's why these jokers named me "Leupold pro staff". I think Leupolds are fine for most hunting but I wouldn't dial with one.

Take your scope and dial it from it's current setting to max and back both ways about a dozen times and see it it comes back to your zero every time. I don't doubt a CDS Leupold would dial from 100 to 400 and back a few times but it's the constant back and forth that it won't hold up to and you won't know how many times it will actually work before it fails. It will dial in a pinch but it doesn't have strong enough internals to be durable in it's dialing.

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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
Originally Posted by M48scout
I haven't experienced those issues with my scope, but if they are common, thanks for throwing it out there. I'd appreciate a link to folks discussing the problem. I don't think CDS is without drawbacks, but I like the "dial by yardage' approach.


6 inches @ 100yds is a massive difference, yes. I'm not familiar with that large of a change in 4000-5000 ft, but I have not shot it to see for myself. So, good input if that's the case.


Ya'll know I agree about the Leupold scopes unreliability on dialing. That's why these jokers named me "Leupold pro staff". I think Leupolds are fine for most hunting but I wouldn't dial with one.

Take your scope and dial it from it's current setting to max and back both ways about a dozen times and see it it comes back to your zero every time. I don't doubt a CDS Leupold would dial from 100 to 400 and back a few times but it's the constant back and forth that it won't hold up to and you won't know how many times it will actually work before it fails. It will dial in a pinch but it doesn't have strong enough internals to be durable in it's dialing.



While I agree the basic hunting line isn't buit for repeated dialing, you think their scopes that are designed for such use can't hold up either?

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