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Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2916132
09/30/19 01:34 PM
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There was a recent article in the WSJ about how a bunch of southerners bought timberland thinking they could retire off the income from the property and how that hasn't worked out at all. There's nothing in the forecast for the next 20-30 years to change that.

can you make money buying and selling land and timber? Absolutely. Can you make money buying "my own place" and managing it for timber and deer - probably not, unless it is a really big place that you can cut a bunch of timber off of.

I own about 140 acres. If I'd taken the same money and put it in the stock market, I'd be better off, but then again, I wouldn't have the memories either. If I sold it right now, I might be able to make a little money off of it. Might. I've owned it about 10 years, during a time of decent economic growth. bamaeyedoc probably has it described best.

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: ALFisher] #2916137
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Originally Posted by ALFisher
There was a recent article in the WSJ about how a bunch of southerners bought timberland thinking they could retire off the income from the property and how that hasn't worked out at all. There's nothing in the forecast for the next 20-30 years to change that.

can you make money buying and selling land and timber? Absolutely. Can you make money buying "my own place" and managing it for timber and deer - probably not, unless it is a really big place that you can cut a bunch of timber off of.

I own about 140 acres. If I'd taken the same money and put it in the stock market, I'd be better off, but then again, I wouldn't have the memories either. If I sold it right now, I might be able to make a little money off of it. Might. I've owned it about 10 years, during a time of decent economic growth. bamaeyedoc probably has it described best.

figure in the money you would have paid yearly to lease or hunt a club into that equation and see how much return you have really gotten out of it

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: GKelly] #2916150
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Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by ALFisher
There was a recent article in the WSJ about how a bunch of southerners bought timberland thinking they could retire off the income from the property and how that hasn't worked out at all. There's nothing in the forecast for the next 20-30 years to change that.

can you make money buying and selling land and timber? Absolutely. Can you make money buying "my own place" and managing it for timber and deer - probably not, unless it is a really big place that you can cut a bunch of timber off of.

I own about 140 acres. If I'd taken the same money and put it in the stock market, I'd be better off, but then again, I wouldn't have the memories either. If I sold it right now, I might be able to make a little money off of it. Might. I've owned it about 10 years, during a time of decent economic growth. bamaeyedoc probably has it described best.

figure in the money you would have paid yearly to lease or hunt a club into that equation and see how much return you have really gotten out of it


That can be countered with it's probably pretty close to a wash.
Uncle Sam gets paid every year with property taxes.

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: GKelly] #2916161
09/30/19 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GKelly
Originally Posted by ALFisher
There was a recent article in the WSJ about how a bunch of southerners bought timberland thinking they could retire off the income from the property and how that hasn't worked out at all. There's nothing in the forecast for the next 20-30 years to change that.

can you make money buying and selling land and timber? Absolutely. Can you make money buying "my own place" and managing it for timber and deer - probably not, unless it is a really big place that you can cut a bunch of timber off of.

I own about 140 acres. If I'd taken the same money and put it in the stock market, I'd be better off, but then again, I wouldn't have the memories either. If I sold it right now, I might be able to make a little money off of it. Might. I've owned it about 10 years, during a time of decent economic growth. bamaeyedoc probably has it described best.

figure in the money you would have paid yearly to lease or hunt a club into that equation and see how much return you have really gotten out of it


I'm figuring in all those things.

One thing folks don't consider when buying property is upkeep. Roads need upkeep, especially with all the rain we've had in the last two years. Also, you will need to buy a tractor and equipment. Those things break. Your camp house needs upkeep.

that said, I'm still glad I did it.

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: jb20] #2916485
09/30/19 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jb20
My grandad bout 172 acres for 250k 4 years ago with farm house sold over 100k in timber still got the house n 172 acres for less than 150k house is worth 65k u do the math it's replanted in pines now but this is how he's accumulated his wealth he's 85 n still buying n cutting timber btw they wanted 400k for that and he offered 250 and they took it so always offer somethi mg ridiculously cheap


Punctuation would go a long way in helping folks understand what the hell you are saying.

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: ALFisher] #2916488
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Originally Posted by ALFisher
There was a recent article in the WSJ about how a bunch of southerners bought timberland thinking they could retire off the income from the property and how that hasn't worked out at all. There's nothing in the forecast for the next 20-30 years to change that.

can you make money buying and selling land and timber? Absolutely. Can you make money buying "my own place" and managing it for timber and deer - probably not, unless it is a really big place that you can cut a bunch of timber off of.

I own about 140 acres. If I'd taken the same money and put it in the stock market, I'd be better off, but then again, I wouldn't have the memories either. If I sold it right now, I might be able to make a little money off of it. Might. I've owned it about 10 years, during a time of decent economic growth. bamaeyedoc probably has it described best.


That was a great article. I knew several of the people they quoted. CRP totally screwed timber as an investment. Government paying people for nothing.

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2916514
09/30/19 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Snuffy
True but if it has deer and timber value it’s never worthless.

I wonder how recreational land prices would be affected if cwd was found close by


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Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2916538
09/30/19 09:45 PM
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Probably a good buying opportunity in timberland right now since everyone thinks timber is a terrible investment.
History shows it’s good to be a contrarian, long-term investor. Literally do the exact opposite of what everyone else is telling you to do, in some cases even defying your own logic and common sense. It’s the essence of value investing, buy low, sell high.




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Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Solo] #2916544
09/30/19 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Solo
Originally Posted by jb20
My grandad bout 172 acres for 250k 4 years ago with farm house sold over 100k in timber still got the house n 172 acres for less than 150k house is worth 65k u do the math it's replanted in pines now but this is how he's accumulated his wealth he's 85 n still buying n cutting timber btw they wanted 400k for that and he offered 250 and they took it so always offer somethi mg ridiculously cheap


Punctuation would go a long way in helping folks understand what the hell you are saying.

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Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2916545
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I bought 45 acres and built a house on it. Included land and house in the mortgage. Luckily my last appraisal my land was 30,000 more than I payed for it. I'm hoping to sell in a few years and buy a bigger tract closer to retirement. Then when I pass the kids can keep it or sell it

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2916565
09/30/19 10:17 PM
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It all boils down to where you want your worth to be sitting and what you want to spend on recreational opportunities. If a lifelong interest exist in having a place all your own to manage and enjoy, while sharing those opportunities with the family is desired, then you won’t make the wrong decision buying land. You can’t take money with you when you die, but you can cherish those memories you made all the way up to your last breath. When I leave this place I don’t care what my bank account says but I hope to leave a legacy for my children including a desire to spend time outdoors, and hpefully able to do that on property they grew up hunting on with me. No value to place on that.

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2916586
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Originally Posted by Snuffy
It’s been a life long dream to own my own hunting/timber land. I’m at a point in my life I can finally seriously consider it. I can hunt on the land I live on but it’s mostly pasture and not a lot of deer. For me to pull the trigger I have to see value in the purchase it has to be an investment. How much appreciation can I expect to see in recreational property? Can I expect timber values to increase in the coming years? Is timber even a viable investment anymore? I have to be able to at least break even if I or my family ever have to sell. What say all the Aldeer experts?


I made my move in my early 30's, and never looked back, I'm 52 now. I was not in it for the timber investment, only building memories. BUT I wanted a good mix of hardwood with pines, and finally found it. My only regret was my Dad not doing it sooner. I tried to get him to split the cost, and we would buy more land, but he needed to be 30 minutes drive from work. My drive is 1hr to Bham Airport, the 1 hr back to paradise !

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2916716
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I bought some in 09. It was where my FIL and BIL use to have a hunting club, so it is familiar and loaded with deer and turkey. Old clear cut where the white oaks have sprouted back and big enough to have acorns. Hill land and bottom land all in one tract . I didn’t get it for a song, BUT I negotiated the mineral rights and it has a livable house on it. Currently letting my SIL live there, so i’ve Come out well I think. It still has timber value if I ever get in a tight and need some quick $. I don’t mind saying that I used a low interest refi to pay for 1/2 of it.


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Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2916773
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I didn't view mine as a financial investment as much as I did a personal/family investment. When I figured up all the $$$ I spent annually on private lease, club and out of state hunting trips it wasn't much difference in buying a small place. Of course, I won't be taking any out of state hunting trips anytime soon, but I'll hopefully be making a lot of great memories with my now 2 and 5 yr old kids. Not to mention I won't be wasting my $$$ on improving and maintaining a lease just to receive a notice that my lease cost is increasing again.

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Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Mbrock] #2917099
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
It all boils down to where you want your worth to be sitting and what you want to spend on recreational opportunities. If a lifelong interest exist in having a place all your own to manage and enjoy, while sharing those opportunities with the family is desired, then you won’t make the wrong decision buying land. You can’t take money with you when you die, but you can cherish those memories you made all the way up to your last breath. When I leave this place I don’t care what my bank account says but I hope to leave a legacy for my children including a desire to spend time outdoors, and hpefully able to do that on property they grew up hunting on with me. No value to place on that.

Although I agree with everything you said Matt over paying for land that is nothing more a place to deer hunt is foolish.


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Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2917105
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I don’t recommend paying for something you can’t afford or paying more than it’s worth, but the value I get from enjoying property is worth more than money in the bank or stock market to me personally.

Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2917114
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A lot of folks with means are getting away from the lake and buying mountain land and farms , building nice homes or cabins . Acreage in the mountains, farms and duck huntin' places are hot up here now. They can take 1/2 million and buy a good lake lot or several hundred acres of farm or mountain land. It's always been a no brainer for me, never saw the fascination with the lake.



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Re: Hunting/Timber land investment [Re: Snuffy] #2917121
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Bottom line I’m to old to get stuck with a place I or my family need to sell but can’t get back what we paid for it.


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