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Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Atoler] #2905053
09/15/19 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Atoler
There should never be a system where some people have tried for 10 years to get drawn and people who have no time invested have a chance to draw before them.



This, times infinity.

The entire purpose of a preference points system in a draw is the tier with the most points gets, y'know, preference.


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Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: sluggun] #2905273
09/15/19 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sluggun
Originally Posted by Atoler
Originally Posted by capehorn24


I get it that you are pissed off about the preference points, however, in your above assumption you can make the gator numbers what ever you want. Change to 1500 and 4000 and your %'s of getting picked go up and down to 2.3 and 5.5. so what's your solution?



Just quoting the numbers of applicants I was told...

But to answer your question, here is my solution. Do it like every other state. If there are 260 tags, the tier with the most points get tags. The tier with the 2nd most points get what’s left over. The tier with the 3rd most points get any that are left over from the first two, and so on. There should never be a system where some people have tried for 10 years to get drawn and people who have no time invested have a chance to draw before them.


Now you know if they did it this way then Chucky couldn't give hunts to his buddies.


Ok, going be that guy, what if 500 are in the 1st tier and they only have 260 tags, someone once again is going to be left out, then next year it goes to 1000, etc. as I see it there is always someone not getting a tag who thinks they are entitled to one.

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: capehorn24] #2905315
09/15/19 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by capehorn24
Originally Posted by sluggun
Originally Posted by Atoler
Originally Posted by capehorn24


I get it that you are pissed off about the preference points, however, in your above assumption you can make the gator numbers what ever you want. Change to 1500 and 4000 and your %'s of getting picked go up and down to 2.3 and 5.5. so what's your solution?



Just quoting the numbers of applicants I was told...

But to answer your question, here is my solution. Do it like every other state. If there are 260 tags, the tier with the most points get tags. The tier with the 2nd most points get what’s left over. The tier with the 3rd most points get any that are left over from the first two, and so on. There should never be a system where some people have tried for 10 years to get drawn and people who have no time invested have a chance to draw before them.


Now you know if they did it this way then Chucky couldn't give hunts to his buddies.


Ok, going be that guy, what if 500 are in the 1st tier and they only have 260 tags, someone once again is going to be left out, then next year it goes to 1000, etc. as I see it there is always someone not getting a tag who thinks they are entitled to one.


If that are 500 the first year with the most points, and they give out 260 tags, the next year there will be 240 with the most points.

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2905318
09/15/19 08:24 PM
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If there are 500 in the top tier, then they have a 52% chance of being drawn and a 100% chance the next year.

This is literally the way every preference system I've been around works. You don't hear many complaints because it's all above board.

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2905465
09/16/19 05:49 AM
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Leave it to Alabama to screw something up with a system no one else has ever heard of

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2905493
09/16/19 07:06 AM
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Personally, I love Alabama's draw system. Hope they never change it grin

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: BayedUp] #2906565
09/17/19 11:47 AM
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I got in on the youth hunt 2 years in a row now...I got invited by a friend to the youth hunt the second year...Guess what he got drawn for another youth hunt this year...its worth the experience there...the deer sign is everywhere and both years my son has taken home meat..
This is Fred Stimpson youth hunt

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Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Tortuga] #2906685
09/17/19 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tortuga
I got in on the youth hunt 2 years in a row now...I got invited by a friend to the youth hunt the second year...Guess what he got drawn for another youth hunt this year...its worth the experience there...the deer sign is everywhere and both years my son has taken home meat..
This is Fred Stimpson youth hunt


What dates do you have?

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2906711
09/17/19 02:48 PM
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My cousin who's daughters I took on the Stimpson youth hunt last year got drawn for the 12/21 Stimpson youth hunt this year so I'll be down there for that one as well as my Stimpson 01/30 hunt. Will also be on my buddy's Uchee creek hunt on 10/24.

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Coosa1] #2906998
09/17/19 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Coosa1
My cousin who's daughters I took on the Stimpson youth hunt last year got drawn for the 12/21 Stimpson youth hunt this year so I'll be down there for that one as well as my Stimpson 01/30 hunt. Will also be on my buddy's Uchee creek hunt on 10/24.

I will be on the 12/21 hunt

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: BayedUp] #2907006
09/17/19 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BayedUp
Originally Posted by Coosa1
My cousin who's daughters I took on the Stimpson youth hunt last year got drawn for the 12/21 Stimpson youth hunt this year so I'll be down there for that one as well as my Stimpson 01/30 hunt. Will also be on my buddy's Uchee creek hunt on 10/24.

I will be on the 12/21 hunt


Awesome! Look forward to running into you down there. If you haven’t already looking into it, the Best Western in Jackson is probably one of the cleanest hotels I’ve ever stayed in and the owner let us check out way late so we could hunt and not have to worry about getting back quick.

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2907541
09/18/19 04:33 PM
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I did not get drawn again and expected nothing less.

I’m showing 1 preference point. Does anyone know how they are accumulated? I’ve been putting in for these hunts from day one and I should have more than 1 freaking preference point for the deer hunts.


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Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Squeaky] #2907680
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Originally Posted by Squeaky
I did not get drawn again and expected nothing less.

I’m showing 1 preference point. Does anyone know how they are accumulated? I’ve been putting in for these hunts from day one and I should have more than 1 freaking preference point for the deer hunts.


Have you put in for the same WMA and same date each year?

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: therealhojo] #2907764
09/18/19 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by therealhojo
Originally Posted by Squeaky
I did not get drawn again and expected nothing less.

I’m showing 1 preference point. Does anyone know how they are accumulated? I’ve been putting in for these hunts from day one and I should have more than 1 freaking preference point for the deer hunts.


Have you put in for the same WMA and same date each year?


I put in for cedar creek and Portland every year. Dates very due to my work schedule. There is no need in applying for hunts I can’t make due to work obligations.


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Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Squeaky] #2907806
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Originally Posted by Squeaky
Originally Posted by therealhojo
Originally Posted by Squeaky
I did not get drawn again and expected nothing less.

I’m showing 1 preference point. Does anyone know how they are accumulated? I’ve been putting in for these hunts from day one and I should have more than 1 freaking preference point for the deer hunts.


Have you put in for the same WMA and same date each year?


I put in for cedar creek and Portland every year. Dates very due to my work schedule. There is no need in applying for hunts I can’t make due to work obligations.


Understand. So, I asked this question on another thread but no response. If you put in for different dates does that change you preference points? I have put in for Portland and Cedar Creek for primitive weapons and that last hunt every time. I have accrued points for those. If I put in for a different hunt, even on the same SOA, my points should increase, should they? I see it like every hunt is a separate lottery. If you apply for different dates it would not accrue points, on previous hunts applied for, correct?? Now, I don't know how it works but that is the way I would think.

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2907812
09/18/19 09:43 PM
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I personally think if you put in for the same SOA regardless of dates you should accumulate points for that SOA if not drawn. I looked back at last years dates and they are the same hunts. I feel pretty certain I’m getting the shaft on my points. I should have 2 based on my history of applying.


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Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2907821
09/18/19 09:57 PM
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I am showing 2 preference points for the Upper State hunt and this is the 1st year I ever registered to hunt that area. I am still showing 1 preference point for Portland landing and Cedar Creek area even though this was the 2nd year I registered for those hunts.
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Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2907863
09/19/19 02:26 AM
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It looks like the preference point doesn't mean sh#t. You could have 30 with the way they're doing it and still not get drawn


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Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Beebs] #2907901
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I put in for every single open registration, youth included. I think I had almost 50 hunt registrations when it was all said and done and got drawn as hunter for one and alternate for another and chose the guaranteed hunt.

Re: It's time for the annual not selected for SOA thre [Re: Coosa1] #2907923
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Originally Posted by Coosa1
I put in for every single open registration, youth included. I think I had almost 50 hunt registrations when it was all said and done and got drawn as hunter for one and alternate for another and chose the guaranteed hunt.


Basically the same thing I did. Why not apply for every one? Better to get it and decline in my book.

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