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Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: 2Dogs] #2874090
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Kinda mystified that 200lb on the hoof deer are so uncommon state wide.



They hunt places like here at home in elmore county. I kill one that dresses 135 to 145 I think I done some thing. Lol

Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Festus] #2874098
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200lb deer are not uncommon on the hoof in Alabama, but 250lb plus deer IMO are very rare. Most people don't weigh deer, they just guess.

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Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: OlTimer] #2874099
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Originally Posted by OlTimer
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Calling Marshall Dillon....283 my azz.


what is yer fkn problem?


No problem at all. I just wanted to see a picture of a deer from Alabama that was 280+. Kinda like you, I looked at the thread because I find them fascinating creatures. I would like to see a picture, is that so damn offensive?


yer calling BS and acting like he is lying is offensive, unless you know something I don't. I've got pics of every big deer I've killed but they ain't going on here.


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Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: daylate] #2874124
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Originally Posted by daylate
I was in the now infamous Riverdale club in Dallas county for several years. They had a set of scales at the sign in board and would weigh every buck taken. I would watch yet another 200+ lb buck weighed in and think to myself man, that deer looks to be no more than 160 or so. I mentioned this one day and the ones who had killed 200+ bucks all blasted me. I put the scale up high and weighed myself with it. I was 190 lbs at the time and the scale showed 220 lbs.

Same thing here. Have seen many club rusty old scales that are 20 plus years old and left in the weather or in some dusty shed and pulled out once a year. I have seen a lot of dead deer and have also seen a lot of inaccurate scales. A 200 pound buck is about like the 20 pound string of bass, you know the old "well we didn't weigh em but we had about 20 pounds"!

Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Clem] #2874191
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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Kinda mystified that 200lb on the hoof deer are so uncommon state wide.


Three things to get size deer:

1. Age
2. Food
3. Genetics


Also, too many people shoot the "it's a good 8 point, had to shoot it or my neighbor would have!" bucks. If that makes them happy, fine. So be it.

But you can't get 4-, 5- and 6-year-old bucks - if that's what you want - by shooting the 2.5-year-old spindly 8-point.


Same genetics we've had for 50+ years, I'd think with all this new fangled QDM , high octane food plots, feeding programs and such they wouldn't be so hard to find.



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Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Festus] #2874195
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One of the funnest damn things I saw was two guy trying weigh a deer on bathroom scales and being half drunk made it even better but the done it . Lol

Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Sasquatch Lives] #2874221
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch Lives
Originally Posted by daylate
I was in the now infamous Riverdale club in Dallas county for several years. They had a set of scales at the sign in board and would weigh every buck taken. I would watch yet another 200+ lb buck weighed in and think to myself man, that deer looks to be no more than 160 or so. I mentioned this one day and the ones who had killed 200+ bucks all blasted me. I put the scale up high and weighed myself with it. I was 190 lbs at the time and the scale showed 220 lbs.

Same thing here. Have seen many club rusty old scales that are 20 plus years old and left in the weather or in some dusty shed and pulled out once a year. I have seen a lot of dead deer and have also seen a lot of inaccurate scales. A 200 pound buck is about like the 20 pound string of bass, you know the old "well we didn't weigh em but we had about 20 pounds"!


Old rusty scales typically weigh light, not heavy. Yes there are inaccurate scales, then again, there are a pile of well managed clubs that use digital or calibrated scales. There are plenty of 200lb bucks still being killed on well managed properties in Alabama. Now days, that number drops off exponentially when you start talking about bucks over 220lb. The key is age and nutrition. Back when most of the blackbelt was in Ag, the age structure was better and there were plenty of 220-240lb bucks killed. Anything over 250 has and always will be a sure enough toad. Note that almost all those huge bucks that were weighed back in the 70's were weighed on pretty accurate feed scales at the feed stores. Nobody was into serious management back then, they simply hunted. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of clubs back then didnt even have a set of scales. If you shot a stud and wanted it weighed, you took it to the feed scales or somewhere similar. You reference 20 lb strings of bass, there have been a pile of days that I've been at or over 20 lbs with just 2 fish. Did it twice this spring in fact and there are several on here that can attest. It's all a matter of when, how and where you fish and when, how and where you are hunting (and back then, the blackbelt was the place to be).

I fully believe these older guys like Troy and the others that hunted these prime areas back then. Back when the blackbelt was really at it's prime, I was too young to hunt seriously but I remember the deer that my dad and others killed. By the time I was old enough to start sitting and hunting on my own with a rifle, it was around 1982 and that area was already moving to pines and the body weights and inches of horn dropped off quickly after that. I remember in either 1977 or 1978, I was 7 or 8 years old and watched a deer get weighed on the feed scales in Thomaston, Alabama, that was killed off our club just up the road, That place was surrounded on 3 sides by thousands of acres of ag. Guy shot it 7 times with buckshot on a man drive and still ended up cutting its throat to finish it. It weighed 267 live weight on feed scales with 8 to 10 of us witnessing it. I remember when they skinned that deer, the buckshot sounded like rain hitting on the ground as it fell out of the tallow on that buck. Most most of the pellets had not even made it into the deer's chest. I fully believe these older guys that lived it. I caught the trailing edge of it, but was just born 10-20 years too late to really hit it right. Oh yeah, that 267 deer probably scored in the high 140's and the old man that killed it sawed those horns off with a hacksaw and threw them in the bed of his truck.

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Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Festus] #2874247
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A bolt ,,, they cut timber different back then too . Lot f land back then was just thinned not stripped to the ground

Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Festus] #2874259
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That place was surrounded on 3 sides by thousands of acres of ag. Guy shot it 7 times with buckshot on a man drive and still ended up cutting its throat to finish it. It weighed 267 live weight on feed scales with 8 to 10 of us witnessing it.


For the doubters the above words contain several clues as to why heavier bucks used to be killed much more frequently back when I was a kid.

The first one is the phrase " thousands of acres of ag". Sorry but your 1/8 of an acre green patch can't compare to 1000's of acres of standing corn when it comes to putting weight on deer. Even if you did use some of Ray Scotts extra magic special grass seeds. LOL!

The second clue is that the deer was killed on a drive. People mostly hunt alone now out of tree stands and shooting houses. In other words waiting for the deer to come to them while it's still daylight. Well most 6 year old bucks don't do much natural moving around in daylight. So most people aren't killing the oldest bucks on the property they hunt but rather the first "acceptably old enough" buck that shows up. Most likely a 3 year old. Hell, a lot of people shoot them before they get that old. But back when everyone I knew was either having dog drives or push drives it forced these old bucks to get up and move. As a consequence a lot more really old bucks were being killed.

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Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: BhamFred] #2874262
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by OlTimer
Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by OlTimer
Calling Marshall Dillon....283 my azz.


what is yer fkn problem?


No problem at all. I just wanted to see a picture of a deer from Alabama that was 280+. Kinda like you, I looked at the thread because I find them fascinating creatures. I would like to see a picture, is that so damn offensive?


yer calling BS and acting like he is lying is offensive, unless you know something I don't. I've got pics of every big deer I've killed but they ain't going on here.


Read your posts, "yer fkn problem" and finding something offensive just don't seem to mix. I seriously wanted to SEE a picture of the deer since I know that area and the Torbert family. Marshall Dillon and Festus was an attempt at humor. It's hot, come inside and cool off! Everybody knows hunters and fishermen never exaggerate (or how far they can hit golf balls). Have a good day there Fred.

Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Todd1700] #2874275
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That place was surrounded on 3 sides by thousands of acres of ag. Guy shot it 7 times with buckshot on a man drive and still ended up cutting its throat to finish it. It weighed 267 live weight on feed scales with 8 to 10 of us witnessing it.


For the doubters the above words contain several clues as to why heavier bucks used to be killed much more frequently back when I was a kid.

The first one is the phrase " thousands of acres of ag". Sorry but your 1/8 of an acre green patch can't compare to 1000's of acres of standing corn when it comes to putting weight on deer. Even if you did use some of Ray Scotts extra magic special grass seeds. LOL!

The second clue is that the deer was killed on a drive. People mostly hunt alone now out of tree stands and shooting houses. In other words waiting for the deer to come to them while it's still daylight. Well most 6 year old bucks don't do much natural moving around in daylight. So most people aren't killing the oldest bucks on the property they hunt but rather the first "acceptably old enough" buck that shows up. Most likely a 3 year old. Hell, a lot of people shoot them before they get that old. But back when everyone I knew was either having dog drives or push drives it forced these old bucks to get up and move. As a consequence a lot more really old bucks were being killed.




I said pretty much the same in above posts on a lot of that

Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Festus] #2874310
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I killed one at Bank head in the early 90's that field dressed 213

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Bankhead used to, and still does, produce some monster bucks, antlers and weights.


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Re: HUGE Bucks of th' 60's/70's [Re: Festus] #2874334
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Yall may need to bust up them Sanctuary areas from time to time to get them big boys moving . Lol

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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Bankhead used to, and still does, produce some monster bucks, antlers and weights.



If its like I'm thinking I'll leave that place for the young healty fit guys

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I killed one on some corps land one time that weighed 195 field dressed, so that would have put it over 200 lbs on the hoof. Biggest deer I've ever killed. Got him mounted on the wall at home. If yall want to see it bad enough I'll send it to someone to post.

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Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by BhamFred
Bankhead used to, and still does, produce some monster bucks, antlers and weights.



If its like I'm thinking I'll leave that place for the young healty fit guys


yes it is, and thats why it has BIG OLD bucks of northern genetics


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There is a picture at Ezells (original one) of a 299 pound buck weighed on cotton scales.

It was killed by Dave Barr Tutt in Nanafalia. I heard the story from the horses mouth several times
over the years and it is a heck of a story. It looks like a Canada deer.

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Tommy Miller killed a 307 pound buck in the early 80’s in Dayton. I saw the hindquarters
at a processor in Linden and they didn’t look like a whitetail. Looked like
a young steer.

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I have pics of 4 we’ve killed, but it’s gonna take me a while.
At work. Nothing close to 250 though.
Lots of big deer killed in our area back in the day because there wasn’t a season on them. When season opened, there were Huge bucks and does for several years. And most folks didn’t still hunt with a rifle which let them grow too.


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